Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 March 24

= March 24 =

03:02:23, 24 March 2019 review of draft by Robertreddick
Look, I might not know how to wikipedia but this man was an audio celebrity who was heard by hundreds of millions of people. He deserves a public biography as he will be searched posthumous. Possibly it is harder to author up the life of a behind the scenes voice artist and I did not properly document / link to supporting resources. I would appreciate any help I can get to assist getting a page for Mr. Corley. Thank you. Robertreddick (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . The article in The News-Press is a start, although it is weak on independence, being entirely information supplied by Corley himself, with the interviewer providing little analysis. It is difficult to gauge the significance of the Benztown award because it is a relatively new award, and somewhat obscure. It would be more convincing if it were covered in mainstream press (think Billboard, The New York Times, and the like).


 * The draft's remaining sources are very poor - a tweet on behalf of a minor TV network, two YouTube videos, and IMDb, which, being user-generated, is not a reliable source. Rotten apples like these spoil the whole barrel; get rid of them. Replace them with significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources. I couldn't find any likely candidates via Google, but a visit to a library that has access to databases of newspaper and magazine articles might be worth your while. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

04:30:12, 24 March 2019 review of submission by 119.92.13.175
Hello, can you please accept my own draft, I'm not surprised to see you don't want random gamecruft. I am bored.

Give me at least 3 reasons why it would be declined if it would. Thanks. 119.92.13.175 (talk) 04:30, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are bored, you can find constructive ways to help improve the encyclopedia at Community portal. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

05:48:38, 24 March 2019 review of submission by Jirachibi
I have multiple sources linked to, including the musician's official site, official channel, and blogs. I realize im supposed to link to other sources as well, but it is literally impossible. Voltaire is a mostly obscure musician, so there are very few articles on him and his music that I can link to in general, let alone for a small album :) I feel its informative enough, follows the correct formatting, and is entirely accurate and should be approved. A similar case happened with an article i made for his last album from 2017, Heart-Shaped Wound, which follows the guidelines but still got rejected. Jirachibi (talk) 05:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . You may add a paragraph about the ablum to the musician article, Aurelio Voltaire, but if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. Wikipedia aims to only have articles on topics that have gained significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time. This album, like Heart-Shaped Wound, does not meet the album notability guidelines. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:18, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

I feel it should be relevant enough, as most bands have every album they do (At least main studio ones) as articles. What places would be good to check? I can't find a single news site, single discussion, single reddit post or thread, single anything other than reviews discussing the album, which is mostly opinionated and hard to put into an article. Even googling the album itself only gives you 2 pages on google with all but 3 links being places to buy said album, you can barely even find reviews on youtube. Also, if you notice, most of his other albums except this one and Heart-Shaped Wound do not have any sources outside of his own website, the same that i'm referencing, and those are still up and fine? Including Boo-Hoo, The Devil's Bris, Bi-Trektual, Hate Lives in a Small Town, and so on.

I have added some more sources from different sites, hopefully this is enough.
 * WikiProject Albums/Sources lists sources Wikipedians have found useful for writing about albums. If you find it difficult to weave reviews into the draft, see Wikipedia's best articles about music for examples of how to do so. Thank you for bringing the deficient album articles to our attention. If you're interested in his work, why not try to improve those articles? If they can't be improved they will be merged or deleted. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:47, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

14:30:04, 24 March 2019 review of submission by Sculture65
Please help me review and accept my draft works that I did; note that I create the drafts for the earliest Star Awards ceremonies dated back in 1994 based on research and sources. There were 1995, 1997 and 1999 pages but these were linked to a redirect. I'm also the one earlier did the improvement project of the articles for the respective Star Awards because of consistency and quality reasons, and in honor of the ceremony's 25th anniversary as well. (Sculture65 (talk) 14:53, 24 March 2019 (UTC))
 * Can someone help me review my works As soon as possible, but I also need assistance in terms of verification and proof of work. (Sculture65 (talk) 08:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC))


 * Draft:Jarrell Ng has been in the pool to be reviewed for 8 weeks, and likely will be reviewed soon. I don't know what you mean by "assistance in terms of verification and proof of work", but the reviewer will give you feedback if something needs improvement or if the topic is unsuitable for Wikipedia. If you wish Draft:Star Awards 1994 and Draft:Star Awards 1996 to be reviewed, then submit them by adding the following code to the top of each and clicking the "Publish changes" button:  --Worldbruce (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, what i meant that "assistance in terms of verification and proof of work" refers to checking of my works and quickly review the draft as soon as possible so that these articles can be published live. Hope this will clarify it out (Sculture65 (talk) 06:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC))

14:44:06, 24 March 2019 review of submission by TownesVP
My draft was turned down because "none of the bands Farley is involved with are notable at this time" and a lack of notable sources. I disagree based on the fact that he's been featured on The Tonight Show and played on NPR. Beyond that, he's legitimately the most prolific songwriter of all time, recording and releasing over twenty thousand songs over three hundred albums. The sources I referenced include Wired, Vice, and Medium. I also have an article on him posted on The Guardian, which is listed under reliable sources. I didn't use it in the original draft, but I've added it since. https://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2014/jan/29/spotify-how-a-busy-songwriter-youve-never-heard-of-makes-it-work-for-him

Aside from this, he's been featured on Bloomberg, Fox News, several local news sites and made commercials for Android.

Sorry for any confusion, this is my first time using wiki and I spent a good amount of time learning about how to make an acceptable page before submitting. What can I do to properly fix these issues to prove notoriety? Thanks for your help.

TownesVP (talk) 14:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * - the reviewer may be right that the individual doesn't pass standard musician notability, however there's an interesting case to be made that his prolific work or spotify work might qualify him under the general notability guideline for his newsworthiness.


 * I'm currently very busy, but I'm interested to see other reviewers' thoughts. I'll be free from Thursday onwards and if no-one else has, I'll take a look then (feel free to poke me on Friday - just hit the talk in my username!). Nosebagbear (talk) 11:55, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

21:16:05, 24 March 2019 review of submission by Hopstinian19
Hopstinian19 (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi . Do you have a question about the policies and guidelines to which you've been given links in the decline and reject notices on the draft? --Worldbruce (talk) 13:13, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

22:21:16, 24 March 2019 review of draft by Acceptable67
Would like to know what other sources should be required for this draft to become a permanent page not to be bothered with. I've added a few sources but as the band doesn't have much material online, its hard to source. same goes for hard copy writing. All I can say is, I have been in contact with all members of this group and it is all factual. Appreciated! Acceptable67 (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi . Factual is a good property for encyclopedia articles to have, but there shouldn't be a Wikipedia article on the topic at all unless it has garnered significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, as demonstrated by coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources.


 * Expand and explore the "Editor resources" section of the decline notice, and visit a good research library to search the databases of articles to which they have access. If, as you believe, nothing to speak of has been written about the band, then no amount of editing will make the draft acceptable on Wikipedia. You could consider alternative outlets that have different inclusion criteria. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)