Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 March 4

= March 4 =

00:02:37, 4 March 2019 review of submission by 77.173.90.33
On January 5th I submitted Draft:Jamie Broadnax. Two months have passed. What's going on? --77.173.90.33 (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking at it. :) --77.173.90.33 (talk) 17:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

01:41:13, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Hsvenkatesh
Hsvenkatesh (talk) 01:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

02:08:30, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Docia49
I wrote the stub above, and it was denied, but I would like to know if the stub has different requirements than an article? How many references would I need in order for it to be approved as a stub? Thank you. Docia49 (talk) 02:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * - hi there. There is some odd phrasing in the various pages on stubs/articles which doesn't help understanding, but it's easiest to think of stubs as the lowest grade of article, but the minimum requirements for an article still apply.


 * The main route to demonstrating notability is General notability - while 5 sources would be amazing, 3 high quality sources is a more reasonable target.


 * The current main problem though is that neither of the current sources would count against this 3. The first is an interview - most of the text is actually given by Conrad (either in direct quotes or in quotes changed into "he said this" etc). As such, the source isn't independent, even though the news source is reliable. The 2nd source is the organisation's website so definitely isn't independent. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I was able to find information about stubs at Wikipedia talk:Stubs where it states, "Although we certainly would like all new articles to have at least one source, it is not an absolute requirement outside the realm of WP:BLP articles." I found the information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Stub. Is this information outdated?
 * - it probably should be written in that at least 1 source is required. An article that is already in Wikipedia strictly speaking only needs source(s) to exist, as a check for possible sources is part of the deletion process. A location, for example, only has to exist - it doesn't need sourcing about it beyond that. At AfC we set the minimum level as "won't be deleted", as it's preferable for drafts to spend longer here than go into the Article-Space and be deleted in a week.


 * In short, your article doesn't fall into any of the categories of articles that have lower than normal requirements, so I'd strongly advise hunting additional sources. You are an auto-confirmed user, so you can bypass the AfC process if you wish, but it will still go through the Mainspace patrolling that vets new articles. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

02:10:07, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Vorce
Vorce (talk) 02:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

02:36:34, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Azzata,G
I have added more of our company's websites. My latest request was about constantly getting declined due to unreliable references. I assumed that Mongolian companies are not so well known but as I did my research and reviewed other Mongolian companies, many of them had far too few references (1 or 2). Thus, I don't think that is the problem. Compare to some Mongolian companies on Wikipedia, our group company is one of the biggest company in our country. Not only in Mongolia, but we cooperate with many international companies. Lastly, my draft has rejected. Could you please help me? Creating an article about our company on Wikipedia means a lot to me and us. I hope you understand this. Thank you.

Azzata,G (talk) 02:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

06:45:35, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Singerkirankaur
Singerkirankaur (talk) 06:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

12:32:55, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Hossam.ouda
Hossam.ouda (talk) 12:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * - as said in the rejection notice, this is a CV and Wikipedia does not exist to host CVs. There are plenty of websites that do - please add it there. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

13:22:26, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Eagen1991
THE INFORMATION IS FACTUAL AND RELEVANT TO THE E-CIGARETTE MARKET

Eagen1991 (talk) 13:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * When editing in talk pages, the use of all caps is perceived as "shouting". Please do not write in all caps.
 * Factual is good, but encyclopedia articles aren't written about things just because they're true. The topic is not notable (not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia). Whether it is relevant to the e-cigarette market or not is irrelevant to Wikipedia. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

14:39:21, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Raresix
I wanted to make a page about him because I think he is a great individual, I talked to him to send me his information for this page. He is a very influential guy and I think he deserves a small wiki page... I know he is small and only have 15k on Instagram, but in his country thats something.. He comes from a small country named Romania.. Maybe if I do another page with more information and stuff, will you accept it?

Raresix (talk) 14:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You have clearly misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia. It is not to elevate one's platform or to "spread the word." It is to write about already notable subjects. Please do not resubmit this.  JTP (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

14:48:51, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Benny2828
Benny2828 (talk) 14:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC) 14:50:33, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Benny2828 Benny's Pizza

I am requesting some help, as this has been decline for submission due to notability issues.. I am having a hard time understanding how this is not a notable subject, even after thoroughly reviewing the criteria for articles for submission.
 * Hi . Notability is judged by looking at the depth of coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Benny's website is not independent of the company. Wikipedia, being user-generated, is not a reliable source. At best the draft cites one source that counts towards notability, and some reviewers will discount the reliability of a student newspaper because it's written by people still learning the craft of journalism. Novice editors are commonly advised to cite at least three independent, reliable, secondary sources containing significant coverage. Some degree of regional, statewide, national, or international media coverage is also required. Coverage of Benny's is likely to be limited to local restaurant reviews. Most businesses are not suitable subjects for an encyclopedia article. You may find WP:BFAQ helpful. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

16:54:10, 4 March 2019 review of draft by 2A02:A03F:3CF5:F000:4DBE:98E0:5F6D:D4F8
Hello, my submission was declined by DGG five days ago. DGG says to "remove statements of quality or other praise that are not explicitly supported by third party sources". This is my first ever submission to Wikipedia. I have now submitted two edits, both of which have been declined. I made substantial changes after the first time it was declined, adding 20 "third-party" footnotes to back up every statement, so I'm surprised it's been declined again. I am a professional art writer and I noticed that Wikipedia is skewed to cover personalities from the contemporary art market but not well-known personalities from other sectors of the art market. My intention is to submit a number of articles to correct this imbalance but the first attempt has now been declined twice. It would be helpful if DGG could be more specific about what particular statements DGG feels still lack support, I can't see any!!!

By the way, the instructions in this field say to click the "Save page" button, but there isn't one. I'm going to click the "Publish changes" button in the assumption that this is what you wizards mean.

2A02:A03F:3CF5:F000:4DBE:98E0:5F6D:D4F8 (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have edited it for neutral tone and trumpery, so it should be good to go now. Theroadislong (talk) 17:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

19:31:33, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Grillage 2
Grillage 2 (talk) 19:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC) Hi! Is there someway I can physically speak to someone about Wikipedia? Its about giving credit to Wikipedia but what I have is very complex! I can give you my cell phone umber if necessary! Thank you, Dave


 * [[Image:Pictogram voting comment.svg|20px]] Hi . This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. Your question is outside our scope. You may find answers at Reusing Wikipedia content. You are unlikely to find anyone to speak to. If you did, because of the nature of Wikipedia, they would not be in a position to give you legal advice. You may try asking your question at the Help desk, where volunteers will try to answer any question regarding how to use Wikipedia. Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps! --Worldbruce (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Request on 19:35:19, 4 March 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by BobScott63
I am looking for assistance to publish my first full submission to Wikipedia. My first draft was rejected, which given my lack of experience I fully understand. I asked several questions to my reviewer and have not received any constructive feedback to assist me. Not having been through this process before I didn’t know what to expect, but would have appreciated some coaching to improve my article through to successful conclusion. I have amended the document substantially since first submission both in terms of quality, accuracy, content and inclusion of additional referenceable citations from independent sources. I would really like someone to guide me through the process. If this isn’t possible please let me know.

BobScott63 (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

BobScott63 (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Understand that what you regard as a successful conclusion (getting the draft published) might not be a successful outcome for Wikipedia. Most businesses are not notable (not suitable topics for an encyclopedia article). Wikipedia wants you as an editor, but may not want you to write what you wrote.


 * The Bucks Free Press and The Source are local newspapers. Some degree of regional, statewide, national, or international media coverage is required. It isn't clear whether or not the awards help demonstrate notability. Awards that are covered only by the recipients and the awarding organization are of little interest here. If they were covered by The Times, The Guardian, the BBC, or similar media, that would help the draft. Contrast the draft with Wikipedia's best writing about breweries: Boddingtons Brewery, O'Brien Brewing and Malting Company, Stones Brewery, Webster's Brewery, and Worthington Brewery. They show the range and depth of sources expected, although the draft need not be as long or cite as many sources. You may also find WP:BFAQ helpful.


 * You are unlikely to find a mentor among us overworked generalists at Articles for Creation, but you might among editors who share your interests (perhaps at WikiProject Beer or WikiProject Buckinghamshire). See Community portal for other ways to help improve the encyclopedia and gain experience. --Worldbruce (talk) 20:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

19:39:38, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Nmd jbp
Nmd jbp (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

20:03:57, 4 March 2019 review of draft by Topofnky
I'm confused because this entry sites sources and this was a notable season in this programs history and I had planned to continue to make more seasons for WKU but apparently its being rejected because it's not a national championship season and the sources aren't good enough? I'm also confused because pages like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_WKU_Hilltoppers_basketball_team and like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932%E2%80%9333_UCLA_Bruins_men%27s_basketball_team. This first being a bad season with no sources the other a random UCLA season with very few wins. I'm happy to attempt to locate better sources but not if it will be rejected.

Topofnky (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

21:01:09, 4 March 2019 review of draft by 148.167.132.249
foundation for a humanitarian based economy update on googlemybusiness you can just type fhbe and the nonprofit organization show up also registered with the state and irs as a tax exempt organization 148.167.132.249 (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * - hi there. None of that would make the organisation notable. Organisations, like companies, have high requirements - multiple high quality sources. As noted in the declines, your sources don't provide the in-depth, independent and reliable coverage needed. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

all of that is high status sources other than the own company this message i have isnt true and is terrorism

21:29:26, 4 March 2019 review of draft by Niralidevgan
Hi, I am a little confused as to what is being called blatant copyright? I do not see any highlighted text and am not sure what section is being referred to. I took out some parts which were worded similarly on his bio on the officially company page just due to the fact it was a list of groups that he oversees. Other than that, I would appreciate the help. Thank you Niralidevgan (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi . The copyright notice refers to historical revisions, not the current version of the draft (from which the copyright violations have already been removed). The complete history of the draft is available by clicking the "View history" tab to right of center near the top of the page. The problematic text was paragraphs staring "Products within ____ include ...". After an administrator has redacted the historical revisions that contain this text, the revisions will show in the history, but one will not be able to click through to the text that they contained. Then the administrator will remove the notice at the top of the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:50, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

21:45:17, 4 March 2019 review of draft by Carly.juneredford
I created this album page back in December. I somehow managed to have duplicate submissions and they were all denied because of that. I was under the impression that an editor would be sorting out that issue but I misunderstood. Can you help me get my article submission sorted and approved?

Carly.juneredford (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Carly.juneredford (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . I see that you've recently done some housekeeping to delete User:Carly.juneredford/sandbox/Filthy_Apes_and_Lions_(Album) and have submitted Draft:Filthy Apes and Lions (Album). The latter will be reviewed in due course. Meanwhile, please disclose your conflict of interest with regard to the topic. There is more information on your talk page. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

23:27:17, 4 March 2019 review of submission by Jaakko.saario
I edited a new page about a Finnish actor Esa Saario and it got published but only now I noticed that the main title on the page is unfortunately wrong. I´ve accidentally written the wrong name on the title. It says now ´Jaakko Saario´ while the name is supposed to be Esa Saario. Esa Saario has already an article on Finnish Wikipedia and I was trying to translate that article into English. So page named Jaakko Saario should be renamed to Esa Saario (a Finnish actor). Thank you and sorry. Jaakko.saario (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Worldbruce (talk) 01:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)