Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 November 2

= November 2 =

Request on 11:07:21, 2 November 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Isara22
Isara22 (talk) 11:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC) Respected Wiki editors,

Thank you for taking the time and evaluating my article. Still, I am not sure about the lack of notability status my article and I would like to ask for a re-evaluation, from the reasons below:

1. With a quick search, one can determine that there are pages depicting software companies in Romania and categories created specifically for such pages (such as "Information technology companies of Romania" or "Software companies of Romania").

I find it a little unfair and inconsistent than other similar pages can exist, listing companies where some of them are even smaller, but the page for Ambo Software, a company that exists since 1999, don't.

2. Maybe the references are not enough (4 independent online and offline newspapers)? Or maybe because the references are in Romanian and not in English? There are other references that are available, in German or English. Having them included in the draft can help to overcome the lack of notability?

Thank you in advance for your time and clarifications.-


 * Hi . Most businesses are not notable (not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia). You may find WP:BFAQ informative.


 * The rejection of the draft is not based on the size of the company, the age of the company, there being too few sources, or the language of the sources. It is based on the quality of the sources found. Horeca.ro and itonews.eu are trade publications, which do not help establish notability. Market Watch Magazine is an unattributed editorial. It appears to be written from the point of view of the company. Ziarul Financiar appears to be based primarily on a press release ("au precizat oficialii companiei") without independent analysis by the newspaper.


 * The content of the draft (very little company history, "Silver/Gold Application Development Parter of Microsoft", "ISO 9001" certified, extensive lists of products and services) is promotional and also strongly suggests that the company is not encyclopedia material. If you have a connection with the company, you need to declare it; it presents a conflict of interest.


 * Wikipedia is forever a work in progress. It contains high quality articles and poor quality articles. The existence of an article does not mean it should exist. It may only mean that no one has gotten around to deleting it yet. So generally it isn't productive to compare a draft to other pages. The essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you understand why. When discussing whether a draft is acceptable for publication, it's safer to argue from policies and guidelines. If you wish to learn from examples, be sure to use Wikipedia's best. --Worldbruce (talk) 12:41, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

15:33:51, 2 November 2019 review of submission by RazorGaming
I did significant changes :) RazorGaming (talk) 15:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , I took a look, and alas it looks like the subject is just an average person, like you or I. Only folks who have significant coverage in reliable sources (such as articles in the news) are eligible for coverage. A run of the mill YouTuber just doesn't qualify to have their own article. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

18:28:59, 2 November 2019 review of draft by Jespon
Where could I find such references? I feel like since he has a higher ESPN grade than N'Faly Dante he should have a page. Dante has one Jespon (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi . That would be a good question to ask on the project talk page of the group of editors who specialize in Wikipedia's coverage of college basketball. Walker hasn't played at the college level yet, but I don't believe Wikipedia has an interest group for high school sports. The college folks should be able to suggest where to look for sources. Keep in mind that just because an article exists doesn't mean it should exist. It might only mean that no one has gotten around to deleting it yet. So the existence of N'Faly Dante doesn't mean Draft:C.J. Walker (Basketball Player) should be accepted. The essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you understand why. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

20:17:41, 2 November 2019 review of draft by YoungTtyl
How to write a successful musician article? Please send me steps....

YoungTtyl (talk) 20:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , It is unlikely that an article about yourself, as this appears to be, will be accepted. Please read our policy on conflict of interest, which requires you disclose any conflict of interest regarding topics you edit. You do not have to claim you are that person, but if you are/know that person/have any sort of conflict of interest with them, you must disclose that you have some sort of COI.
 * For an example of a good musician article, please read Beyoncé. The issues with your article are multi-fold. Its sources have literally nothing to do with the subject, such as scientific papers. You must first find some sources that cover the subject. You ought also try to clean up the formatting, following perhaps Beyonce or Kanye West as an example. You must also prove that they meet one of the music "notability" criteria, i.e. prove why they ought to be on Wikipedia.
 * Unfortunately, the subject may just not be notable at this time. There are 8 billion living people, and we can only cover a handful of them. Your time may be better spent editing articles that already exist and interest you. You may be interested in contributing to WikiProject Musicians or perhaps WikiProject Hip hop. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

20:43:40, 2 November 2019 review of draft by Michaelmonet44
Hello. I submitted this article for review and read that I would be able to edit it until it was approved. When I log in to my page I am unable to locate the pending article. I want to make sure that the page is in queue for submission and I would like to be able to see the page when I login. Please let me know how to find it.Michaelmonet44 (talk)

Michaelmonet44 (talk) 20:43, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Howdy hello! You can find the page by simply navigating to it, or by clicking on a link to it, such as Draft:Barry Brewer. You can also add it to your watchlist (it should have been added automatically), which can be found at the top right of your browser. Any changes made to articles you watch will be found there.
 * The article is indeed in the review queue, and I have gone ahead and reviewed it. Several issues remain surrounding the article, chiefly that it needs more and better sourcing, and that it is not written in a neutral tone, as is expected for an encyclopedia. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)