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= October 17 =

03:29:32, 17 October 2019 review of draft by Ramongonsalis123
I published this again with proper resources and changed the unreliable ones still nothing happened, can someone help me in actually getting this to being published.

Ramongonsalis123 (talk) 03:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the fighter's accomplishments are insufficient to justify inclusion in Wikipedia. The notability criteria for mixed martial arts fighters revolve around their fights for top-tier MMA organizations. If Desert Force Championship were top-tier, he would need at least three (3) professional fights for it, or to have fought for the highest title of it, neither of which is true. Moreover, Desert Force Championship is not a top-tier MMA organization. Unless there's more to his fighting career than the draft says, the topic is not acceptable for publication on Wikipedia. You may wish to consider alternative outlets for your writing about him. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:47, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

08:02:14, 17 October 2019 review of submission by 1.127.111.98
1.127.111.98 (talk) 08:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * For a person, or any subject, to be considered notable for wikipedia, it has to meet WP:42 - it has to have had significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Unless you are a programmer who has been covered in reliable sources, it is not possible to have an article. This is because it would not be possible to verify the contents of the article - if there are no reliable sources, the article could essentially just say what the subject wanted it to. This is an encyclopedia, not LinkedIn
 * Additionally, writing autobiographies is strongly discouraged.  Oxon Alex    - talk  08:54, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Additionally, writing autobiographies is strongly discouraged.  Oxon Alex    - talk  08:54, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

14:32:11, 17 October 2019 review of submission by Vasareliepaite
Hello, I would like to know why my article about Dione ice cream is declined? It looks like I've done everything properly (citations, etc). Could you please explain what should I do better (add something, or make some corrections, etc)? It would be really helpful, thank you!

Vasareliepaite (talk) 14:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , the article was rejected by AFC because it wasn't deemed to be notable - see WP:42 - Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. In your case, I imagine the problem was significant coverage. Simple mentions of the company existing, or routine press release type mentions aren't determined to be significant.
 * Now, for whatever reason, a user moved the article out of draft into the encyclopedia. They are well within their rights to do this, but I don't think it was a good decision when the article isn't ready. Because of this, it has now been nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/Dione (ice cream) - what happens next is determined by consensus in that discussion.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Now, for whatever reason, a user moved the article out of draft into the encyclopedia. They are well within their rights to do this, but I don't think it was a good decision when the article isn't ready. Because of this, it has now been nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/Dione (ice cream) - what happens next is determined by consensus in that discussion.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

14:39:22, 17 October 2019 review of submission by Millie Vago
Millie Vago (talk) 14:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I'm having a lot a trouble dealing with the publishing of my article because I don't get why is it that declines. I took all of the external links from the body text and put them as "cite", as I think it should be; or so I understood. Could you please help me?

Thank you!
 * The most recent declination was for content that sounds like an advertisement, not for your referencing style. The topmost box on your draft has some helpful links about how to improve your draft.  JTP (talk • contribs) 15:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello! What should I take out of it? It's a Biography, and as such, it contains a lot of refferences about work places and companies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Millie Vago (talk • contribs) 17:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I recommend you follow the advice given to you by TheRoadIsLong, the last reviewer regarding phrasing. Remember, this is an encyclopedic article, which should read neutral. Wikipedia is not for promoting people, it is for gathering useful and notable knowledge. You also need to go through the references. Only include references that directly talk about the subject, are reliable, and independent of the subject. Unusable references should be removed. Uncited claims should generally be remove, as this is a biography of a living person. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 05:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Request on 17:03:12, 17 October 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Ashleyj618
An article for MB Real Estate was recently rejected for not being sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. What can be added to this entry for approval?

Ashleyj618 (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , the subject needs signifigant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. The sources listed were either promotional, or just mentioned the subject in passing. If you can find those sources, do and add them. But it seems that such coverage may not exist, in which case the subject is just not notable. Alas, there are millions of businesses and we can't cover them all. Only a handful actually qualify for inclusion. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

17:48:29, 17 October 2019 review of draft by TrevlacT
I am trying to understand what, if any changes are needed to the article to meet the "noteability" requirement. Margaret Hamer/Maggie Browne was a popular children's author as was her mother Sarah Sharp Hamer for whom there is an existing Wikipedia page. When I look at Sarah's page it appears to have a similar form, and references a page for Maggie Browne which does not exist. My intention was to plug that hole by providing a Maggie Browne page

Would providing references to her books for sale on Amazon be considered better citations ?

I am not trying to challenge the decision, simply to decide what type of changes or additions are needed for acceptance.

TrevlacT (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

TrevlacT (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , To get the article passed you need sources that talk about her as a person. Using Amazon sale links is not acceptable. Ideally, you'd find newspaper articles or a book written about her. But regardless of the form of the source, it must be reliable and secondary, not primary. Keep trying at it, work to revise it, and don't be afraid to ask more questions here. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)