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= April 19 =

00:25:00, 19 April 2020 review of draft by Evvekk
This draft was declined due to notability, but I believe the subject qualifies for notability under WP:MILPERSON criteria 2 (subject is an Admiral) and criteria 5 (commanded United States Navy Dental Corps). Additionally, the subjects were notable enough for special recognition by both of his almae matres. Evvekk (talk) 00:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , This should have been accepted. I'm approving it now. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

02:54:17, 19 April 2020 review of submission by Adam Catch
Adam Catch (talk) 02:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Did you have a question? Sulfurboy (talk) 03:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe he's looking for his other sock. --Worldbruce (talk) 04:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * For the archive:  07:16, 19 April 2020 Mz7 talk contribs blocked Adam Catch talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (: Abusing multiple accounts: Please see: w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Adam Catch) . Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

08:15:16, 19 April 2020 review of submission by Futbol10p
This coach is a professional soccer coach within the National Independent Soccer Association (NISA) and also has notable accomplishments plus legitimate references for everything.

Not recognizing NISA as a professional league but recognizing the USL League One and USL Championship is highly suspicious and seems like there may be potential collusion with USL league representatives as there is more vague information for USL1 then NISA available.

https://www.nisaofficial.com/news/2020/02/16/nisa-receives-ussf-pro-league-membership

The collegiate programs this coach worked for should also be notable enough to qualify for publishing to live site.

Futbol10p (talk) 08:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , We did not create the guidelines surrounding whether a certain league is considered fully professional or not. We simply follow the rules set out by them. If you have issues with the current standard of notability, you may want to discuss it at either Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Until any of their rules change, the subject of your page is currently not notable. Sulfurboy (talk) 08:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

12:16:39, 19 April 2020 review of draft by Per W
The answer from the reviewer was: "No evidence that this power cable passes the notability threshold. " I cite two sources: a technical description and a newspaper article. They provide substantial coverage and are independent. I found other newspaper articles about the cable, especially when it does not work.
 * Should I provide these article somewhere?
 * Should I look for more detailed descriptions of the cable?

Per W (talk) 12:16, 19 April 2020 (UTC), you are more than welcome to comment! Per W (talk) 12:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Add a couple of the newspaper articles and resubmit it or ping me when it's done and I'll look at it and likely approve it. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

12:24:18, 19 April 2020 review of draft by Puremusician
Hi, I'm trying to submit an artist wiki page. It has been declined maybe because I put it under article category. How can I fix it? Puremusician (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , You need to show with reliable, secondary sources WP:RS that your subject passes WP:NARTIST or WP:ANYBIO Sulfurboy (talk) 13:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

12:25:48, 19 April 2020 review of submission by Puremusician
I have tried to submit an Artist bio page, it has been declined maybe because it was under article category. I don't know how to change the category, please help. Puremusician (talk) 12:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft was declined because it has no independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support its content, as the reviewer informed you. Wikipedia articles should summarize what such sources state, showing how the musician meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. Please see Your First Article for more information.  You may also find it helpful to use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 17:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

13:15:47, 19 April 2020 review of submission by G. Moore
I am working on WikiProject Hospitals. Our project goals include having a list of hospitals for every Country/Major Administrative Division of a Country. There was no list for Indonesian hospitals. I started an article on List of hospitals in Indonesia, since there were already several articles about hospitals in Indonesia in Wikipedia. It was reverted to a draft article because it wasn't complete and the task seemed to big to the reviewer. Since then, I have added all of the major hospitals in Indonesia, along with references and discussion of health facilities in Indonesia. I would like to move this article to the main Wikipedia workspace now that it is more complete and substantive. Not all hospitals are notable. However, this article lists all major hospitals and a few clinics and medical centers as well. As notable hospitals are discovered in the list, links can be made to create the articles on notable hospitals. I have put a lot of effort into this, as I think it will be important to know about Indonesian hospitals during the corona virus pandemic. REF: Draft:List of hospitals in Indonesia

13:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk to G Moore 13:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Looks good now. I've approved it. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

14:36:02, 19 April 2020 review of draft by 151.20.130.162
151.20.130.162 (talk) 14:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you have a question? Sulfurboy (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

15:52:46, 19 April 2020 review of submission by 1.186.198.197
enough notability present 1.186.198.197 (talk) 15:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you have a question? Sulfurboy (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , but to interpret as a question on the grounds you give, I've looked and confirmed the reviewer's judgement. The sources you give fail to meet each of the four requirements to show page notability: in-depth, reliable, independent, secondary. Social media is both unreliable, non-independent and non-secondary. Wikis, including ours, aren't reliable (and depending on who wrote it, non-independent). Nosebagbear (talk) 09:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 17:53:50, 19 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by MissRight44
MissRight44 (talk) 17:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Did you have a question? Sulfurboy (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 21:54:51, 19 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Keirvt
An editor using the handle, Sulphurboy has declined publication of Draft:Australian Speleological Federation Cave Diving Group article on the basis that the organisation that the wiki article does not meet the criteria of showing significant coverage. The aricle shows the organisation is part of the Federal body of Australian speleologists an organisation of about 1500 members across all states of Australia. https://www.caves.org.au /https://www.caves.org.au/ The Cave Diving group has been in existence for many years and references the Federal body's web page, its code of ethics and the national and international achievements of the diving group. The ASF will reference the CDG page if it ever get published.

The draft wiki page has been authorised by the Australian Speleological Federation (ASF). Although the proposed wiki page is short and simple the page underwent scrutiny by the Federation oganisation and rewrites.

The draft wiki page references the parent organisation and it project based exploration in Australia including cave diving exploration over many kilometers under the Nullarbor Plain as one example.

I cannot understand how this page does not meet the requirements of wikipedia. Please could you be more explicit in the reasons for denial or perhaps review the editorial descision.

Keirvt (talk) 21:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I suggest reading the linked policies in the decline message. Particularly, we need to see WP:SIGCOV of the subject in reliable, secondary sources to show that it passes WP:NCORP. We do not care at all whether or not the subject has approved the creation of the page. We're you hired by the organization to create the page? What is your association with them? Sulfurboy (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

23:36:14, 19 April 2020 review of submission by Mukilteoedits
Hello, I posted this on the Teahouse, but now I'm wondering if I should have posted it here? A few weeks ago I asked for the page Draft:Scott Disick to be unSALTed. It is my first time working with a SALTed article. The main page has been nominated for deletion four times in the past, but I believe the article is now ready for creation, since Disick's fame has increased. I received feedback that the articles I used were only passing mentions of Disick. This simply is not true. I cited more than 100 sources in this article, and while some of them do contain passing mentions, many do not. For example, Chicago Tribune, E! News, Architectural Digest, People, and this one HuffPost, among others. Additionally, notability is not temporary WP:NTEMP, and the most recent community consensus was to allow new draft, and you can find at least two other editors (alongside myself) who have commented on the main page talk page requesting that an article be made for this subject. Additionally, on Talk:Kourtney Kardashian there are several discussions in which people have suggested he receive his own article. I believe he meets WP:ENT parts one and two. He has been a main cast member in more than 140 episodes of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, has his own show on E!Network (new since last discussion of his notability), and has guest starred on a number of other shows. In reference to point two of WP:ENT, he has a large fan base (23.5 million Instagram followers; 6.8 million Twitter followers - more than Adam Sandler, Gwen Stefani, the White House, etc.). Finally, the current redirect does not make sense, because he is no longer dating Kourtney Kardashian. He also meets WP:GNG, because he has significant coverage (which a quick Google search will show). I don't know how to improve the draft, and I think the editor simply did not approve it due to the past nominations. How can I go about getting this draft approved?

Mukedits (talk) 23:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Neither the draft nor the article space look to be salted, so I'm not sure what the problem is that you are running into? Sulfurboy (talk) 23:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The draft space is not salted, the article space is I believe? I already requested the draft to be unsalted and was able to create it. I asked for the draft to be reviewed and approved but it was denied; however, I don't think it should have been and another editor agreed. Can you provide feedback on why it was not approved? I don't think the reviewing editor properly considered the draft (but I'm not trying to throw shade). Mukedits (talk) 23:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Not sure why you're asking me. I didn't decline it. And I'm not seeing any page protection on the mainspace article. Sulfurboy (talk) 15:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I thought this was a help page? The feedback said I could post here if I needed help? I'm asking you because you responded to my question asking what the issue was. Also the mainspace article Scott Disick is protected, but it currently redirects to Kourtney Kardashian which is not protected. The reviewer did not respond to my request for further feedback from him and I need to know the next steps for moving forward with getting the article approved.