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= April 23 =

02:55:41, 23 April 2020 review of submission by Santamoya34
Literally I am talking about protests in the name of Juniatta and people are saying it “isn’t a relevant organization” even when it is one of the biggest groups going after the Islamic Republic at this time like why? Just because it isn’t relevant in American or European news doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant in the Middle East

Santamoya34 (talk) 02:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , No one said the organization is not relevant. What was said is that the sources provided do not demonstrate notability. I would suggest reading the linked policies in the decline message. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

03:57:32, 23 April 2020 review of submission by Valleyguy56
Can you please explain the criteria you choose for references, links, etc. and why in some instances you require tens of references while in other articles, there are not only very few references, but also articles that are less than a paragraph long? Notoriety seems to be at each reviewer's discretion. The person I'm trying to have listed is a renown television historian who has worked with the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences' Emmy broadcasts, supplied archival clips to HBO, "Entertainment Tonight", network news broadcasts and various other specials since the 1980s, and has appeared on radio and television many, many times over the years as an expert. He is also quoted and referenced SEVERAL times in other articles that HAVE been published on Wikipedia (do your own search and see the results), has a huge resume on IMDB, and currently an independent filmmaker who IS listed on Wikipedia is doing a full- fledged theatrical documentary on his life and career. If those do not qualify the subject as worthy for an article in Wikipedia, then half of who you have listed do not deserve to have articles either. Wikipedia has often been criticized for stating incorrect facts and information in many of its current articles. This is one instance where everything stated is one hundred per cent accurate and worthy of an article. Yet, your editors constantly strike it down. Please strongly reconsider your decision.

Valleyguy56 (talk) 03:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia's criteria are explained in its policies and guidelines. Links to the ones most relevant to the draft are in the pink "declined" boxes at the top of the draft and on your talk page.


 * Novice editors are commonly advised to cite at least three independent, reliable, secondary sources that contain significant coverage of their topic. Quality is more important than quantity. If a subject can't be demonstrated to be notable (suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia) with three sources, then more than three will not help. For example, an article about Lucille Ball can be justified by these three independent, reliable, book-length biographies: Kathleen Brady (1994) Lucille: The Life of Lucille Ball, Hyperion; Stefan Kanfer (2003) Ball of Fire: The Tumultuous Life and Comic Art of Lucille Ball, Alfred A. Knopf; and James Sheridan and Barry Monush (2011) Lucille Ball FAQ: Everything Left to Know About America's Favorite Redhead, Applause. The only reasons to cite more than three sources are if there are facts worth including that can't be supported by the first three sources, or if there are significant viewpoints of the topic that aren't represented in them.


 * The current length of an article is irrelevant to the question of whether it should exist or not. A one-sentence article like: "Lucille Ball (1911-1989) was an American actress known for her role in the television comedy I Love Lucy", would be perfectly acceptable. That's because the stub would have the potential to be expanded into a full and complete encyclopedia article eventually, something we know is true because at least three independent, reliable, book-length biographies exist.


 * Notability is not directly about achievements, it is about high quality sources. So nothing Shostak has done that you list above has any relevance to notability. Of course independent writers and publishers are unlikely to produce detailed works about a person unless they've done something, so accomplishments are indirectly important, but only sources carry weight in discussions. If the filmmaker completes their documentary about Shostak, then the documentary should make a good source.


 * Over the past eight years, five reviewers with a combined experience of nearly a quarter million edits have considered and reconsidered the topic of your draft and found it not worthy of an article based on current sources. If you're genuinely interested in improving Wikipedia, please strongly consider editing a different topic. The articles about the people you name drop in the lead of the draft, for example, are all rated less than "good" by the community, so there is much scope for improvement. If all you're interested in is pushing a topic that Wikipedia doesn't want, you'll have a hard time finding a sympathetic ear. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:15, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

05:20:26, 23 April 2020 review of draft by YXJackhuang
I want to create a Wiki Page named "Yulong Li", but when editing it, I found the title of this page is my username/Sandbox("YXJackHuang/Sandbox"). How can I change it into "Yulong Li", the correct form? Thanks!

YXJackhuang (talk) 05:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Looks like Robert got it moved over for you. Cheers. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

11:42:48, 23 April 2020 review of submission by Mayank.b2
Respected sir/mam,

I made a mistake earlier but even after making all the required changes why my article is rejected. I am first year university student worked hard on my article for my university assignment. Please review the updated article once and do the needful. Please it's a humble and sincere request. Mayank.b2 (talk) 11:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft is entirely promotional and has been rejected, Linked In is not a reliable source neither are blogs or their own website, please find another topic to edit. Theroadislong (talk) 12:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

14:29:45, 23 April 2020 review of submission by Zggala
It is the second time this biography has been rejected. The first time, it was declined because of the lack of references that make this person notable. After making some alterations, I have added articles and references from sources such as newspapers. Please let me know, what else can I do so as to be published. Thank you!

Zggala (talk) 14:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Answered at the Teahouse; please only use one method of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication. 331dot (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 14:52:59, 23 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Boston4you
Why do they Reject this article if Matthew Lugo is a 2nd round MLB draft pick by the Boston Redsox and I have added many reliable sources. Boston4you (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Please see WP:NBASEBALL for the requirements for notable baseball players. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

15:34:48, 23 April 2020 review of submission by Parislav
Parislav (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

What are you talking about? How is this not well known enough to become a topic? I was featured on Fox (The largest news channel) and several huge New York newspapers such as Newsday. I am well known throughout the country. Look me up, and you will find pictures. I am #8 out of at least 10000 14 year olds that play chess in the US, which is incredible. Also, I am in the 99.8 percentile of all chess players, which makes me a well known topic. I also have competed on the world stage in chess.
 * As explained to you previously, NMs are usually never considered notable unless they have won a national title. WP:NCHESS The news coverage you are talking about is wholly local and would not be substantial enough to or sustained long enough to establish notability via WP:GNGSulfurboy (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

15:35:38, 23 April 2020 review of draft by Sophie Merchouk
Hi,

I'm requesting advice to get my draft article on Skyline Communications approved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Skyline_Communications. It has been rejected several times, and after checking some similar articles on Wikipedia, I'm starting to believe that the main reason for decline is my link with the company in question. From the start, I've been honest to disclose that link and, to the best of my knowledge (I'm new to Wikipedia), I've followed the guidelines and rules, as well as the advice the reviewers gave me. So, basically, my question is: what more do I need to do to get approval for this draft?

Thanks a lot in advance for your reply!

Sophie Merchouk (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Its been pointed out to you multiple times what needs to be done. The biggest key thing which you have not done is remove the press release sources. You actually ADDED back some after a fellow reviewer was nice enough to take the time to remove them. You have to keep in mind that WP:NCORP is one of the toughest standards to pass and extra scrutiny is given to paid editors. You have continually ignored reviewers requests and added back info that was removed.
 * Which means, in effect, multiple people have been nice enough to volunteer their time to help you get paid for yours and instead of addressing the issues, you now are coming here and accusing reviewers of being biased in their reviews... Sulfurboy (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Which means, in effect, multiple people have been nice enough to volunteer their time to help you get paid for yours and instead of addressing the issues, you now are coming here and accusing reviewers of being biased in their reviews... Sulfurboy (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I merely have been asking questions to the reviewers of the draft, just because I wanted to make sure that I followed their advice correctly, and have always done so in the most polite way. I do understand why this draft is being reviewed more critically, and I respect that. I certainly have not been ignoring reviewers' advice; as said, I've always tried to adjust the draft according to their suggestions.

As for the comment that I added back some of the 'bad' sources a reviewer removed: I went step by step through the edits that were made by this reviewer, in order to make sure that I did not accidentally add back sources that were deleted. Because I was actually grateful for this help. I merely added some other sources where this particular reviewer added a 'citation needed' mark. And those do not include self-published or self-distributed press releases, nor do they include any sources this reviewer removed.

I do not mind if the draft is rightfully rejected, but it is very frustrating to read a message like yours above that basically says I'm an ungrateful editor who ignores all good advice and help, when that's just not true and my intentions are in fact the complete opposite of that.

Anyway, just wanted to reply with my point of view. Won't take up any more of your time or ask any more questions. Have a nice day.

Sophie Merchouk —Preceding undated comment added 08:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

15:41:22, 23 April 2020 review of submission by KennyParis
Hello, I have made new changes to my draft and i have included as much reliable sources as I could with articles mentioning them but I'm not sure my draf has been resubmitted again ? Many thanks for your help KennyParis (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've resubmitted the article for you. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

16:12:09, 23 April 2020 review of submission by Iwahab
Iwahab (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Abdul Mujeeb is a content creator of pakistan many people including me search for him on wikipedia but there is no information availabe so after contacting him i put his information here on wikipedia but unfortunately it didnt got approved I request you to have a look at it one more time
 * Hello, thanks for your contribution. Unfortunately, a fellow reviewer has rightly rejected the article due to the subject not having a chance of being considered notable at this time. I would encourage you to make work on some existing articles to help familiarize yourself with what we look for on Wikipedia. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

19:45:11, 23 April 2020 review of draft by Maizbhandariya
What else is required for getting it live Maizbhandariya (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

22:53:09, 23 April 2020 review of draft by Keirvt
I am trying to make a submission and have just added references to the organisation I am trying to write about. An earlier verion of the submission contained a logo used by the ASF-CDG. The image is derivative from a logo used by its parent organisation (which is the idea) but is wholly authorised and relevant to the article.

I am unable to upload the images again and would very much like to see it included. Please how am I able to achieve this?

Keirvt (talk) 22:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)