Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 August 17

= August 17 =

00:47:15, 17 August 2020 review of submission by 41.45.96.30
41.45.96.30 (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You haven't asked a question, but what you wrote is completely unsuited for an encyclopedia article, and seems more like a social media entry. You should use actual social media for such things; this is an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

07:35:19, 17 August 2020 review of submission by Mathewkary
Mathewkary (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

09:15:07, 17 August 2020 review of draft by Aethelyon
Hello, I am working on a new post. This is the first time I have worked on a person. I linked to several news articles, but the feedback was that they were not credible. Can you help me understand what is a good source and what is a bad source? Thank you!

Aethelyon (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * At its most basic, the reliability of a source can fall under a three-prong test: (1) Is the source independent of the subject or their surrogates/underlings/family members/business? (2) Does the source discuss the subject in some depth? (3) Does the source have an editor-in-chief or equivalent position that is responsible for fact-checking what they publish and issuing retractions if needed? LinkedIn fails all three prongs; YouTube is generally useless for other reasons, CrunchBase fails prong 2 (as it's a database). In terms of companies, we also don't generally accept routine business news as a viable source - with "routine" meaning merger announcements, acquisitions, funding, real estate pickups, etc. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 19:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

10:24:44, 17 August 2020 review of submission by RawnakS
The links provided in the reference tab are legit and they have no problem and they are all accessible. Still this sraft has been declined many times even though I provided many more links. So I would be very grateful if you give me tips on improving the page. Thank you very much for your time

RawnakS (talk) 10:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , You have created multiple versions of this draft and moved them to main article space ill advisedly. You have been told that his own writings are unlikely to qualify as references. Let me try to explain. If they manufactured vacuum cleaners, the cleaners would be their work. A vacuum cleaner could not be a reference for them, simply because it is the product they make. So it is with research, writings, etc. However, a review of their work by others tends to be a review of them and their methods, so is a reference, as is a peer reviewed paper a reference for their work. You may find WP:ACADEME of some use in seeing how Wikipedia and Academe differ hugely
 * Here is your tip:
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle   Faddle  10:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I looked at your talk page. That is identical with the hints and tips I gave you when I declined one version of this draft. Is there anything that you find difficult to understand and that you would like explained further? Fiddle   Faddle  10:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle   Faddle  10:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I looked at your talk page. That is identical with the hints and tips I gave you when I declined one version of this draft. Is there anything that you find difficult to understand and that you would like explained further? Fiddle   Faddle  10:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I looked at your talk page. That is identical with the hints and tips I gave you when I declined one version of this draft. Is there anything that you find difficult to understand and that you would like explained further? Fiddle   Faddle  10:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation. As you know I am new to wikipedia. For the reason I could not understand the referencing system. But now I understand and I will try my best to avoid anything like this in the future. Once again Thank you and sorry for the trouble I have given you. Also it would be very helpful if you could tell me which references I gave were acceptable. Thank you once again-RawnakS

11:17:51, 17 August 2020 review of submission by Jorbss
Jorbss (talk) 11:17, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft has been declined, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Correction, the draft Draft:Kiarash Behain was rejected, not declined meaning that it will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 12:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

12:36:50, 17 August 2020 review of draft by Prakriti aryal7
Prakriti aryal7 (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * {{u|Prakriti aryal7}] You haven't asked a question. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

12:50:04, 17 August 2020 review of draft by Ipsitam
Ipsitam (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

13:07:11, 17 August 2020 review of draft by Davetheirishguy
good morning, my submission at Articles for creation: RELEX Solutions (August 14) was declined, The reason left by 2pou was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

I am having difficulty determining if this specific submission was declined because it need to be written from a neutral point of view or the references do not comprise of enough of a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Which is it, or is it both? Thank you!

Davetheirishguy (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft just tells about this company, and is sourced to press-release type articles, routine business transaction announcements, or brief mentions. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

18:38:09, 17 August 2020 review of submission by 156.204.24.43
156.204.24.43 (talk) 18:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This was already addressed above. Theroadislong (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

19:47:42, 17 August 2020 review of submission by Edetroit
I am requesting a re-review of the article I am submitting on Benny and the Jets Band from Detroit, Michigan. My initial submission was rejected for lack of notability. I take that to mean there was not enough significant information on the subject I was submitting. I have much detailed information that I can submit, with reference links, in addition to the initial biographical information you already have. I am submitting much more detailed information on Benny and the Jets Band below. I believe this additional content will warrant the band's inclusion in the esteemed ranks of WIkipedia. Thank you for your consideration. Best, Eric Harabadian, Edetroit Edetroit (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Benny and the Jets Band is a member of the Michigan Rock and Roll Legends Hall of Fame: http://www.michiganrockandrolllegends.com/mrrl-hall-of-fame/231-benny-the-jets. Benny and the Jets toured coast to coast in the U.S. and Canada, including appearances at Cobo Arena in Detroit, The Kingdome in Seattle, Bonaventure Arena in Montreal, Park West Theatre in Chicago, Las Vegas Hilton and Las Vegas Convention Center. Benny and the Jets have opened for Freddy "Boom Boom" Cannon, Bo Diddley, Chubby Checker, The Coasters, The Drifters, The Platters, Eddie Money, Eddie Rabbit, Ted Nugent, Steppenwolf, Humble Pie, Badfinger, Herman's Hermits, Paul Revere and the Raiders. When the U.S. Post Office released the Bill Haley and the Comets Rock and Roll Stamp they hired Benny and the Jets to perform the song "Rock Around the Clock" at the unveiling. Benny and the Jets were featured in the documentary "Nothin' but Music" http://www.facebook.com/nothinbutmusicmovie. The documentary features several scenes filmed at the historic Michigan Palace Theatre which was owned by band leader Benny Jet's father Dr. Leo Speer. The Michigan Palace Theatre in Detroit, Michigan helped launch the careers of KISS, Aerosmith, Bob Seger, Bachman Turner Overdrive and Bruce Springsteen.
 * None of that suggests that they are notable.See WP:NBAND for criteria. Theroadislong (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

20:13:31, 17 August 2020 review of submission by Jorbss
Jorbss (talk) 20:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I would like to know How to resubmit my Wiki article again. I've made some changes on it.
 * We are not interested in another Seigenthaler. Every claim the article makes requires an inline citation to a strong third-party source. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 20:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

20:20:29, 17 August 2020 review of submission by Mim.jahid
Mim.jahid (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Try putting this somewhere other than Wikipedia. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 20:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Request on 22:45:03, 17 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Oruli1964
I created a draft for a hotel article detailing the events and international acts the hotel hosted but my draft was declined. Im in need of assistance

Oruli1964 (talk) 22:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ under WP:G11.  JTP (talk • contribs) 00:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

22:46:15, 17 August 2020 review of submission by Allisterfiend666
Almost everything in this article is cited by multiple sources, which are the premiere, industry standard bodybuilding and fitness publications, daily newspapers, and mainstream publications. All acting and voiceover credits are referenced to IMDB and multiple sources. There is no conjecture in this article, it is all factually accurate and nearly everything is cited with multiple sources. The subject has won multiple world and national titles, at major competitions, and is a known world class bodybuilder. Allisterfiend666 (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Interviews are not reliable (contribution of subject/surrogate).
 * IMDb is not reliable (wiki).
 * Anything the subject writes is not reliable (contribution of subject/surrogate).
 * Photo galleries are not reliable (No text/dialogue).
 * Fandom is not reliable (wiki). —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 23:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

23:32:39, 17 August 2020 review of submission by 217.39.29.162
Hi there, would you be able to advise how I can get this article published?

Since the pandemic, the rise of working, learning, collaborating remotely has given rise to icebreakers - they are used in a variety of settings. This article is designed to highlight a particular icebreaker game which users such as facilitators I feel find of interest.

Hope you can help.

Thanks!

217.39.29.162 (talk) 23:32, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Your submission has been rejected, meaning it will no longer be considered for acceptance. You are welcome to contribute elsewhere in the encyclopedia.  JTP (talk • contribs) 00:06, 18 August 2020 (UTC)