Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 August 18

= August 18 =

02:57:12, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Zroxuf
I have properly sources the information provided in this submission for your review. Please consider approval.

Zroxuf (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, you haven't. We are not interested in another Seigenthaler. Every claim the article makes requires an inline citation to a strong third-party source. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 04:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Request on 04:18:01, 18 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Eswnav
Eswnav (talk) 04:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Please improve this article and move main page

05:28:22, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Akhand Bharat Parishad
Akhand Bharat Parishad (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * this submission lacks any form of verification. It appears to be written to praise it's subject, but Wikipedia doesn't allow that. After a quick check I saw that it was aparently copied and pasted from a Huffington Post article. Please never copy (news) articles onto Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

08:38:48, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Globalwatch123
Sometimes draft take 3-4 months to be reviewed. Lose out on patience and we try directly in article space. Sorry to have caused you inconvenience. Please do review the article

Globalwatch123 (talk) 08:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , your draft was rejected on 13 August. I'm sorry you have lost out on patience, but I suggest you do not try directly in the article space. Creating an article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia and your track record suggests that you need help Fiddle   Faddle  08:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Please see Articles for deletion/Ashok Arora. Fiddle   Faddle  08:43, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. But after the article was deleted there were some notable events that took place which i thought would contribute to Ashok Arora notability. He was chosen as secretary of supreme court bar association. He was in national news in India due to a fight with president of supreme court.(Globalwatch123 (talk) 09:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC))

08:42:45, 18 August 2020 review of submission by MediaManager1
I would like to request help moving my draft to article space, because I have complied with all the guidelines, answered and addressed all questions, and I believe my topic has met all requirements set by Wikipedia. My draft is a stub and will be improved by me if further improvements need to be made. I will also be including more relevant references and sources should they be available in the future. I have disclosed that I am a paid contributor by Sirom Group, and I was hoping to get paid soon once I successfully move Draft:Francis Baraan IV to Article Space. And I hope my fellow editors here would help out. I nominate myself as admin for this Page, and will nominate anybody willing to share the adminship of this Page as long as they would help improve and defend the keeping of this Page.

I urge anyone to please come take a look at my work, review it favorably, and move it to Article Space. Thank you so much.

MediaManager1 (talk) 08:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

MediaManager1 (talk) 08:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've answered you on my talk page. It is not advisable to do what you are asking. Also, articles (not mere "pages") do not have designated administrators or monitors.  You are certainly free to monitor any article you create, but you can't designate yourself as having any more rights to it than any other user.  The term "administrator" also means that one has certain tools at their disposal, tools which the general public does not have, so you shouldn't use this term unless you are indeed an administrator. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EditorManagerPH. Fiddle   Faddle  08:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

11:24:14, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Hnfatema
I have added more sources to the article, to prove the given information. Have made the content neutralized so that it doesn't look like someone is advertising. Hnfatema (talk) 11:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Full of name dropping, promotional content, correctly rejected. Theroadislong (talk) 11:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

12:03:50, 18 August 2020 review of draft by KerstingFan
Hello! I have been helping another user, Mazzola20, with only their second ever draft! There was a bit of misunderstanding of what the difference between citations / links were and the article was rejected on those grounds (and the reviewer gave really helpful guidance, thank you!). The article I hope is now ready to review, and I am sure the person meets all the WP:ACADEMIC requirements. Thanks for any help with this!

KerstingFan (talk) 12:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , ✅ thank you for working in the confusion about what is and is not a reference Fiddle   Faddle  12:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * very many thanks indeed for your help and patience! KerstingFan (talk) 12:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. This one was easy to accept once the problem had been solved Fiddle   Faddle  12:22, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

12:09:17, 18 August 2020 review of submission by 156.204.168.233
156.204.168.233 (talk) 12:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * With precision, what answers are you expecting here? Fiddle   Faddle  12:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

13:19:50, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Rugby-league-100
Rugby-league-100 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

13:21:41, 18 August 2020 review of draft by Eswnav
Eswnav (talk) 13:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

How to move draft to main page?
 * Article keeps getting declined. It doesn't appear to be ready for "main page". You should try to improve it first. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

16:33:08, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Kuruvillac
Please could you review the draft Adeeb Ahamed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adeeb_Ahamed It has been in the draft for over 3 months. Have tried to make changes to the article by adding sources and citations. The draft is vastly different from the deleted article. Many more credible sources have been added. Also there was a spelling mistake in the name of the article and person in the article due to which the sources available were not seen by the reviewers and administrators when searched.

Kuruvillac (talk) 16:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

16:59:48, 18 August 2020 review of draft by VoteFair
The admin who handled my new article submission -- Draft:Pairwise vote counting -- said that a "split request" was needed, so I wrote on the appropriate talk page -- at Condorcet method -- a split request:

There has been no response so I'm asking if I should be making the split request differently. If so, where or how do I make that request?

In the "old days" I created articles and split articles directly, but the rules have changed since then. Back then I could create the new page and then edit the page that has a bit of overlapping content, and point to the new page. But under the new rules I can't edit the existing page until the new page has been moved from draft status to online status, and that request was denied.

Thank you for your help! VoteFair (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

VoteFair (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

17:26:03, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Shivaniik
Shivaniik (talk) 17:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you don't actually ask a question, then nobody can help you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:Rajat Verma has been declined twice and now rejected, it will not be considered further, it has no reliable sources and no indication whatsoever how the subject would pass WP:NACTOR. Theroadislong (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

17:54:03, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Shivaniik
Shivaniik (talk) 17:54, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Repeatedly demanding that a rejected article be reviewed is a good way to find yourself scrutinised more heavily. What is your connexion to Rajat Verma? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 17:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Request on 18:01:54, 18 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Nike.rabadiya
Nike.rabadiya (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

18:03:35, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Francisjk2020
I humbly seek assistance in reviewing the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Massar_Solutions. I have worked hard to improve the article as per the instructions of reviewers. The company Massar is owned by the Government of UAE and Abu Dhabi. 51% is owned by Abu Dhabi Water & Electricity Authority and 49% is owned by Abu Dhabi National Energy Company PJSC (TAQA). Thank you for your help (Francisjk2020 (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC))
 * , it is queued uo for review, and will most definitely be reviewed in the fullnes of time Fiddle   Faddle  21:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Francisjk2020 (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

18:22:29, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Rlambert327
My draft of Centerstone has been rejected. Trying to find out if it needs to be deleted before I can try again or what next steps I should take? It had originally started as a decent article with numerous external sources and has become kind of a mess in trying to make edits for multiple different reviewers. Any help is much appreciated! Thank you. Rlambert327 (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I suggest you ignore the current draft, even consider asking for it tobe deleted, because it will distract you.
 * In a new sub page such as User:Rlambert327/Centerstone draft 2 before actually creating any prose gather together references that meet these criteria:
 * We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Be very critical.
 * Now select facts from those references and marshal them into a storyboard. Once you have a storyboard you can start to draft the new article. Use only facts that can be cited, and cite as you go.
 * Your new draft ought to be radically different from the one you have now forgotten all about and, if you have chosen your references wisely, be easily acceptable.
 * If you cannot find good references don'tt even start to write the new draft Fiddle   Faddle  21:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Request on 18:44:31, 18 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Santoshram1
help me in editing this page.

Santoshram1 (talk) 18:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If the film doesn't meet the WP:NFILM criteria then there's nothing we can help you with. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 18:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

18:03:35, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Francisjk2020
I humbly seek help for review of the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Massar_Solutions. I have worked hard to improve the article as per the instructions of reviewers. The company Massar is owned by the Government of UAE and Abu Dhabi. 51% is owned by Abu Dhabi Water & Electricity Authority and 49% is owned by Abu Dhabi National Energy Company PJSC (TAQA). Thank you for your help(Francisjk2020 (talk) 19:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC))
 * , you sought help humbly just up there ^^^^^ The reply is equally humble and the same as up there  Fiddle   Faddle  21:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

20:27:18, 18 August 2020 review of submission by Kiaroskuro
Hi there... my submission for Suhaila Salimpour was rejected, with the reasoning that the sources weren't reliable and independent.

I've included in my submission for Suhaila Salimpour respected and reliable publications in the field of dance (such as InDance and Habibi Magazine) as well as academic sources and public television, and an internationally-distributed commercial documentary (American Bellydancer), which also has a wikipedia page, and in which she was a main subject. I'm not exactly sure what would make this article MORE reliable.

There are other artists in her field with far fewer sources and existing Wikipedia pages, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoe_Jakes and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Brice (and both Zoe and Rachel studied dance with Suhaila Salimpour, arguably making Suhaila MORE notable than Zoe and Rachel.) In addition, on this page, Suhaila is cited twice as being a major influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_Fusion

Suhaila is a respected artist and instructor in her field, and because dance--particularly belly dance--is so often an oral/bodily tradition, it is overlooked by more mainstream written outlets. To require more seems inequitable.

Please advise.

Kiaroskuro (talk) 20:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We are not interested in another Seigenthaler. Every claim the article makes requires an inline citation to a strong third-party source. And you cannot use the state and/or existence of other articles to argue for your own. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 20:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Request on 23:56:45, 18 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Gladiator-Citizen
Thank you for your help in publishing my entry on Moira Rayner. I have prepared an entry for Peter Wright (Squash), a distinguished sportsman and administrator, in my sandbox. I am submitting it for any corrections or suggestions and for publication as soon as possible. Much thanks Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 23:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 23:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)