Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 December 9

= December 9 =

02:39:53, 9 December 2020 review of draft by Nickjplatt
Hi there, hoping for some feedback on my draft page if anyone can spare some time and expertise? The page was rejected for not having significant coverage. I posted some external sources and had hoped that it was enough to show the subject had merit. I also viewed similar pages, including one of another US soccer team which seems to have less sources cited than the page I created:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamsburg_International_F.C.

I can add more depth to the page if needed but i tried to keep simple at the start as the tool suggested. Thanks so much for your time, this is my first page and so I am learning still!

Best wishes, Nick

Nickjplatt (talk) 02:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

05:40:49, 9 December 2020 review of submission by MarthaBehan
MarthaBehan (talk) 05:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I have updated the page with the company's official logo and included references for the awards and honours. The references for the Wikipedia are and we believe the following references qualify for a Wikipedia article: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/greg-mortimer-australian-new-zealand-passengers-go-into-quarantine-after-arriving-in-melbourne "The operator of the Greg Mortimer ship, Aurora Expeditions, organised the flight, which left the Uruguayan capital Montevideo on Saturday morning local time." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirius-uruguay-cruiseshi-idUSKCN21S21M "The operation began in the evening when the Greg Mortimer, an Antarctic cruise ship operated by Aurora Expeditions, docked in the port of Montevideo."
 * If those are the only places in those sources where it's discussed, then those sources are too thin on details to be usable here. We do not allow fair-use images in drafts and that logo would be fair-use under normal circumstances (and images don't help a draft anyhow - third-party sources do). Keep an eye on this space: Bastard Helper From Hell mode has been activated. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 06:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As to your sources:
 * https://iaato.org/information-resources/data-statistics/ - Irrelevant for the topic, and what it's being used to cite is likewise tangential. There is absolutely no need to include background on the industry; this isn't a scip writeup.
 * https://www.expeditions.com/about-us/lindblad-history/ - Irrelevant for the topic, and being used to cite tangential asides.
 * http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/08/11/3290909.htm - Irrelevant for the topic, and being used to cite tangential asides.
 * https://www.traveller.com.au/aurora-expeditions-greg-mortimer-cruise-ship-first-with-xbow-design-sets-sail-h1jfnb - Photo gallery. Photo galleries do not provide enough information to be usable as a source.
 * https://ulstein.com/innovations/x-bow - Irrelevant for the topic, and being used to cite tangential asides. We also do not include copyright marks in articles.
 * https://iaato.org/who-we-are/vessel-directory/ - Irrelevant for the topic and the cite itself is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.ats.aq/index_e.html - Irrelevant for the topic, and being used to cite tangential asides.
 * https://www.ats.aq/e/antarctictreaty.html - Irrelevant for the topic, and being used to cite tangential asides.
 * https://www.auroraexpeditions.com.au/blog/clean-up-svalbard/ - The subject itself is never a reliable source (as a lack of a direct connexion to the subject/its surrogates is a requirement).
 * https://www.imo.org/en/About/Conventions/ListOfConventions/Pages/International-Convention-for-the-Safety-of-Life-at-Sea-(SOLAS),-1974.aspx - The page linked to shows only a "coming soon" page, and this can't be blamed on scriptblockers or ad blockers. Unusable as a source.
 * https://www.aeco.no/members/ - Connected to the subject, thus a unusable source.
 * https://polartourismguides.com/about/discerning-traveller - Connected to the subject, thus an unusable source.
 * https://www.worldtravelawards.com/award-worlds-leading-polar-expedition-operator-2020 - Thus far this is the only thing I'm seeing that could even help for notability.
 * https://www.cruisecritic.com.au/news/4821/ - Not about the subject, but about one of its employees. Unusable as a source on the firm.
 * https://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-adventure-cruise-line/ - Listicles like this are generally too sparse to be useful as a source.
 * https://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-adventure-cruise-line/ - Got a link to the relevant award's site?
 * https://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-adventure-cruise-line-2017/ - Listicle.
 * https://www.sbs.com.au/news/greg-mortimer-81-people-test-positive-for-covid-19-on-australian-cruise-ship-off-uruguay - Name-drop. Name-drops, sound bites, and other passing mentions are not significant coverage.
 * https://www.smh.com.au/national/more-than-80-passengers-on-board-greg-mortimer-cruise-ship-test-positive-for-covid-19-20200406-p54hk4.html - Discusses the company and its efforts to evacuate a stricken ship. Usable.
 * https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirius-uruguay-cruiseshi-idUSKCN21S21M - Name-drop.
 * https://www.sbs.com.au/news/greg-mortimer-australian-new-zealand-passengers-go-into-quarantine-after-arriving-in-melbourne - Name-drop.
 * https://archive.vn/20200413023800/https://www.auroraexpeditions.com.au/asg80-update/ - The subject themselves, or rather an archive thereof.
 * https://www.instagram.com/p/B-4OxSLBCuL/ - We do not link to, let alone cite, social media.
 * —A little blue Bori v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 06:47, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would also like to ask what your connexion to Aurora Expeditions is. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 06:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

10:08:58, 9 December 2020 review of submission by Fabregado
I have successfully edited those things out, and I have included the required reliable sources, kindly revisit and make a new decision. Thank you Fabregado (talk) 10:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further and it will only waste your time and that of others to pursue this further at this time. No amount of editing can confer notability on this person. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

12:37:46, 9 December 2020 review of submission by Dukerala
Dukerala (talk) 12:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you please advice on what is the exact problem and how to resolve it.
 * The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. The text is a blatant advertisement for the university and has almost no independent reliable sources with significant coverage to indicate how the university meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Since the draft was rejected, it will only waste your time and that of others to pursue this further at this time. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

14:55:23, 9 December 2020 review of submission by GeometryDashFan12
If this article is declined, then can people please not add a CSD tag? Oh, and can you review it please? a gd fan (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Drafts are not deleted just because they are declined. If a draft is declined, that suggests there is at least a chance it can eventually meet standards.  If a draft is "rejected", then the reviewer feels there is little to no chance for improvement.  Even rejected drafts are not deleted just for being rejected.  You have properly submitted your draft and it is pending.  As noted on the draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,427 pending submissions waiting for review." 331dot (talk) 15:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you a gd fan (talk) 15:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

15:09:45, 9 December 2020 review of draft by UNITYwoody
UNITYwoody (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

15:57:31, 9 December 2020 review of submission by Dukerala
Please suggest how to make this page live. The Kerala University of Digital Sciences, Innovation and Technology is a digital university approved by the Government of Kerala State and the gazette notification has been linked for reference.

Dukerala (talk) 15:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

16:00:04, 9 December 2020 review of submission by Jitesh1144
Jitesh1144 (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not social media or other place for you to tell the world about yourself. This is an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 16:10, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

17:31:52, 9 December 2020 review of submission by MotifPublisher
1. I've rewritten this several times - I've certainly looked up TNT and the other codes Sulphurboy used in his assessment, but I really don't understand what's not objective about this. I rewrote several sentences, and have taken out almost all adjectives and adverbs over the course of rewrites. Every fact is cited now, I believe, and has been for a few revisions. It seems very much "just the facts" to me, so there must be something I'm missing. Sulphurboy is not responding to me, so I can't get any more info. I'm down to rewrite it again (what TNT implies I should). But honestly I don't know what to change.

2. Mr. Weiss is a prominent local figure - many of his collaborators on books and articles and peers in this community have wikipedia pages. It certainly seems like he should qualify. I don't see anything press-release about this (I've written hundreds and received thousands of press releases over the years. It's certainly factual, but there's no element of promotion, nor any hook or any of the elements I'd expect in a release. Again, I don't understand what I'm missing.

3. Apparently a point of pain was that I listed as paid. He's an old acquaintance, and was going to throw me a few bucks for my time in helping with this (and I work for a radical transparency publication, so my instinct was to disclose that.) He's not going to pay me any more - we scrapped that, so I removed that element in the submission. Although I'm not getting paid, this is one of the celeb (by local standards) authors around here, and I definitely think a wiki is merited.

Advice is very very welcomed. Thanks!

MotifPublisher (talk) 17:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Request on 18:43:55, 9 December 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Dewintate
I believe I have submitted two new articles to be reviewed (LPT(Band) and Sin Parar (Album)), but, as these are my first, I just wondered if I could verify that they were submitted correctly and are, in fact, waiting to be reviewed. Thank you so much!

DewinDewintate (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Dewintate (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You correctly submitted LPT (band) and I accepted it. Theroadislong (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

19:14:51, 9 December 2020 review of submission by Tech306
Tech306 (talk) 19:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC) 19:14:51, 9 December 2020 review of submission by Tech306

Hi there,

I submitted this article from a different log in/page before but it got declined due to these reasons:

"1. This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies. 2. Blatant advertising and copy-pasting of mission statements including trademark symbols"

Please provide any specific feedback you can to improve this article so it hopefully doesn't get declined again. 1. If I don't have to include trademarks, I won't. I just thought I had to since their product is trademarked. 2. I also tried to change a lot of words so its not copy-paste but there are some words I just can't change because it will change the whole sentence and might also misinterpret what this company believes in.. 3. I provided all possible references that exist about this company to back up the information I'd like to contribute to Wikipedia. It is an amazing tech company who support lots of sectors in Canada so I think more people should know about their story.

Your help is appreciated.

Sincerely, Tech306
 * Please link to the draft instead of copying the text here, thanks. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I can say that "I think more people should know about their story" is the wrong reason to create a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, I can't link the draft since I published it from a different user name (which got blocked since the name North Star Systems Inc. also sounded like I try advertising the company). And if to share the story is not good of a reason to create the article on Wikipedia, what is? Thanks for your help. Tech306 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tech306 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

19:54:59, 9 December 2020 review of submission by JoseSerrano1
I tried creating this page, and wikipedia stated there was a copyright issue. I want to know what the issue was here. Did I submit the page incorrectly or did I not site my sources correctly? JoseSerrano1 (talk) 19:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like you copied content from http://newarkiff.com/the-biz-of-comedy-a-conversation-with-bob-sumner all content on Wikipedia needs to be in your own words, I have left a welcome message on your talk page which has further advice. Theroadislong (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You didn't specify a page title, but it appears you're talking about Draft:Bob Sumner. This was deleted for being an unambiguous copyright violation, since you used content lifted from this source verbatim. I guess you didn't get the memo, but copying is bad, almost always. You can't copy the answers off the kid next to you, you can't copy CDs without permission and distribute them, you can't take someone's drawing without permission and use it as your company's logo, etc. All creative works (even mundane things like advertising copy) are considered copyrighted by default as soon as they are published, and this is a standard that is agreed upon by many nations. See Berne Convention. So even if there weren't an obvious copyright notice at the bottom of that Newark Internatinoal Film Festival page, the content would not be free for you to use. On top of that, it was laden with WP:PUFFERY and wouldn't be suitable even if you hadn't "appropriated" it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Request on 21:26:25, 9 December 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Adamreinman
I started an article that we declined. I want to do a good job on the article. What do you think I should change? Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Penumbra_(company)

Adamreinman (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy requires that all significant viewpoints on the topic that have been published by reliable sources be represented fairly and proportionately. There are usually a wide variety of views on public companies, but the draft presents only favorable ones. Recent examples of negative opinions include and . Search archives of the mainstream and business press (The Wall Street Journal, Barrons, Value Line, Oakland Tribune, etc.) for more.
 * Another problem is that the draft relies far too heavily on company sources, primary sources, trade journals, directory listings, and patent listings. Patents likely aren't even worth mentioning in the article. Although some of these sources may be used sparingly, anything that belongs in an encyclopedia article can doubtless be supported by better sources. This newspaper article, for example, could replace the company website for the company being headquartered in Alameda. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:42, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your help. I will include the negative opinions.  I initially avoided the negative articles because I thought that would be biased.  Should I remove the patent section altogether?    Adamreinman (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

23:32:20, 9 December 2020 review of draft by 176.158.181.139
Hello and thanks for checking my page ;) I'm sorry, but I think I don't understand what are "the inline citations"... I've cited 30 international and wellknown references in the footnote area. Could you help me to make it right? Thanks for all,

Vidya

176.158.181.139 (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)