Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 July 12

= July 12 =

02:32:04, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Dviaboy
How is that not for Wikipedia that is a soccer tournament Dviaboy (talk) 02:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . If you're asking about Draft:2020-21 FA Cup, the only source it cites doesn't mention that edition of the competition (it's instead about the 2019-20 FA Cup). Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Do not try to create an article about something until it has received significant coverage in multiple, reliable, secondary sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

03:50:56, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Julie Conteh
this page is not for promotion purpose it is strictly the biography of the Gospel Musician Israel whose work is well appreciated by people from around the world and this is intend for people to know more about his background, please accept this page, you once blocked my other account and asked me to create a new one which i did again. please note that this is not for money making purpose. Julie Conteh (talk) 03:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ by for WP:NPA or WP:HARASS.  Note that you dont need to make money to promote something. For an article (not yust "page", WP:NOTSOCIAL) to be created sucessfully, it would require multiple reliable independent sources that cover the subject in some depth. Please dont try to evade this block, as it is not allowed for this type of block. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

04:17:31, 12 July 2020 review of draft by PrittyKitty219
PrittyKitty219 (talk) 04:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there,

My submission was declined due to a lack of verifiable resources. I listed several websites at the end of the article...Was that not the correct way in which to list resources?
 * IMDB is not considered a reliable source here because it is user-editable. You should not merely list websites, but make actual citations for the content of the article.  Please see this introductory page to referencing for more information.  The content of your article needs to be supported by independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable actress. 331dot (talk) 07:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

07:17:45, 12 July 2020 review of submission by ABC23341
Hello, is there any way to speed up review of a newly created article (besides attaching it to a wiki project?). I have been waiting for this article to be reviewed for many weeks now: Draft:Antony Dapiran

ABC23341 (talk) 07:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There is nothing that you can do to "jump the line" or otherwise speed up the process. As noted on the submission template, "This may take 7 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,582 pending submissions waiting for review."  You can use this time to perhaps work further on your draft to perhaps attempt to make it more likely a reviewer will notice it. Reviewers are volunteers, who do what they can when they can, so you will need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 07:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

However, the time span seems to be getting longer rather than shorter. It used to say that it might be up to 4 weeks, but no we are already at 7 weeks...ABC23341 (talk) 08:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That only means that new drafts are coming in faster than reviewers can review them. That can't be helped, unfortunately. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

08:39:17, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Compulogger
I posted a request for help on 4 July, and have not had a response. Therefore I posted a message on Chris Toutman's talk page. In his reply he admitted that his judgement is subjective, and he suggested that I ask another editor for an opinion.

I challenged his argument that the subject of the article might be notable if he were dead. I don't see any logic in that argument, and I think it is offensive.

I challenged his argument that "stuff the subject wrote doesn't count". Is this a general argument that would mean that writers don't count, and should not be the subject of Wikipedia articles?

He also expresses the subjective opinion that AAAI Fellows are not notable, because the AAAI Society is not notable in his opinion. This is a subjective argument.

Therefore I am requesting another opinion, preferrably from an administrator with knowledge of the subject of the article. Compulogger (talk) 08:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What the subject wrote does not establish that this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Only independent reliable sources with significant coverage can do that. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , the notability of a writer is generally demonstrated not by listing what the writer has written, but by showing that other, independent people, have published reviews, analyses, or other comments on the work of the writer in reliable sources. Shakespeare is notable not because he wrote many plays and poems, but because many other people have written very extensively about those plays and poems, to take one obvious example. These days a person can easily self-publish huge volumes of writing that no one else will ever take any note of. Such people are not notable, while writers whose work has been the subject of significant comment usually are. see WP:NAUTHOR. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Google Scholar https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=rlCW0SkAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao gives Genesereth's book with Nilsson 3,087 citations, which is likely to be higher than most books by notable authors on Wikipedia. Genesereth himself has 16,533 citations, which is also likely to be higher than most citations for computer scientists who are the subject of Wikipedia articles.

Moreover, if you type "Genesereth" into the Wikipedia search box, you will get 14 search results, where he is mentioned in other Wikipedia articles.Compulogger (talk) 10:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Using Google Scholar, I looked up the number of citations for "notable academic staff" in the Computer Science Department of the University of Manchester (an example of a medium size department, to make the exercise manageble) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Computer_Science,_University_of_Manchester There are twelve academic staff listed, all but one of them has a Wikipedia page. Six have fewer than Genesereth's 16,533. Five have more. I'm confident that an analysis of the citations for other academics in Computer Science would produce similar results.Compulogger (talk) 11:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

15:43:53, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Desynomusic
Desynomusic (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , The draft has been rejected and the current version will not be considered as it serves only promotion of the person with no notability and reliable sources ~ Amkgp  💬  17:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

15:55:03, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Jawwadkhan08
Jawwadkhan08 (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Well, I imagine you wish to know why it was rejected and is suggested for deletion. Thsi is on your talk page, but I will reproduce it here. "The reason left by Amkgp was: This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Wikipedia is not a place for WP:PROMOTION"
 * I have linked but not, I think, pinged the rejecting editor. You may wish to discuss it further on their own talk page, but it just looks like an attempt at advertising stuff too me. Fiddle   Faddle  16:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , The draft is not notable as it is a product promotion which is not acceptable in Wikipedia. Also, please note that the user is a suspected sock. See Sockpuppet investigations/Khan tabrez ~ Amkgp  💬  17:08, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

16:52:44, 12 July 2020 review of draft by Umran alhaja
I need to add logo to my article and pics but always the system denied it and i dont know the reason i need some help to puplic my article for Jebus Museum but i dont know excatly how and where i can put the referances or how i can use them

Umran alhaja (talk) 16:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * try to upload directely to Wikikmedia commons. As for references, you put them directely after the content they support, like this: . One note aside, many of your sources dont appear to be independent. Please try to use more independent sources]]. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I thought you might benefit from a substantial commentary, which I have left on your draft in addition to Victor's thoughts here
 * Thank you for your hard work. There is more to do Fiddle   Faddle  17:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your hard work. There is more to do Fiddle   Faddle  17:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

18:13:55, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Articlecreator1234
Articlecreator1234 (talk) 18:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Try to find more reliable sources. Youtube (Music), Deezer or Spotify any other user-generated site arent considered one. Note that this draft originally has already been rejected before, so I suggest you take alook at WP:AMOUNT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

21:09:24, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Prsatran
Why would you reject an article by a bestselling African-American female author with references from The New York Times and Simon & Schuster among others? You took no time to decide this person didn't deserve a wikipedia page when she has published five books and dozens of articles in national magazines. I don't even know how to address this.

Prsatran (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , The reviewer who declined it has not rejected it. They have pushed it back to you for further work. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. So please do that work Fiddle   Faddle  21:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have looked at your draft. It needs work. I've left a comment on it and tried to validate the references.
 * No-one suggested creating an article was easy. If you would like it to be accepted you have top prove that the person passes the criteria here. Please remember that people are here to help you, and that they have feelings too. Fiddle   Faddle  21:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

21:47:51, 12 July 2020 review of submission by Prisencolin
Prisencolin (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

21:47:51, 12 July 2020 review of submission by MexicanKennedy
MexicanKennedy (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Your submission is currently in the awaiting review. Please be patient. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Sorry I was participating in the women of color edit-a-thon and my zoom timed out and I could not return. This is my first time editing Wikipedia. I hope I am doing everything correct. I am interested in helping Wikipedia. I speak Spanish and English. Let me know how else I can help. Thank you. MexicanKennedy (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC).