Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 July 3

= July 3 =

03:30:57, 3 July 2020 review of submission by MichaelDubley
MichaelDubley (talk) 03:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I have edited the references to show that the organisation the page 'Hemmersbach Rhino Force' covers is reputable and worthy of a wiki article. Further, I have edited the language to be less promotional and more in-line with the Wiki language. I look forward to publishing or further comments on how to improve the article.

Thanks,

Michael.
 * First of all, please put your signature at the end of your post. Secondly, since the original article was deleted after an AfD, we will have to start a Deletion review. I dont have the time to clearly estimate the sucess propability, but on the first view it looks like it could succeed. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

15:08:34, 3 July 2020 review of submission by Teddos1989
Teddos1989 (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

15:48:14, 3 July 2020 review of draft by Lpancrazi
Hi, I am trying to create a Wikipedia for Jane Ray. She has a very limited online presence. I have some archived photos of newspapers clipping with additional information and testimonials from various people. How do I deal with the reference issue? I modified the tone of the article. But I don t know how to deal with the references... Could someone please help? Can I submit the archives she has?

Lpancrazi (talk) 15:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You currently have zero reliable sources, all the Linked in sources will need to be replaced with reliable sources, sources do not have to be online, but they do need to be in-depth and independent. Theroadislong (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

17:36:59, 3 July 2020 review of draft by Toadalicious
Thank you for the review! Yasmeen Williams is a significant figure in African American women's music and gospel, but like many marginalized people, there are not a lot of published secondary sources published on her contributions. I did try to link to Washington post articles that I could find that help document the music scene in DC as well as a primary source oral history that she did with Roadwork, which is available online. If I have paper copies of primary sources, can I digitize those and upload them as "evidence?"

It would also be helpful to know what exactly was seen as too promotional. I tried to put things in the entry that were factual like listing her discography, etc. The label in DC that put out many of her recordings is no longer in existence so the only record, so to speak, are of music videos on youtube of some of her recordings, which is why I linked to those. When I did use language that evaluated her singing, I tried to use secondary sources like the washington post.

Yasmeen is dying of cancer and I would love to get this approved before she passes away. I know it would mean a lot to her. I would appreciate any additional guidance you could provide to help me meet the criteria.

Toadalicious (talk) 17:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

17:47:55, 3 July 2020 review of draft by Jfklaess
Hi Editors, I'm asking for clarification as to why a submission (Awesome Two) isn't meeting the requirement for notability, and help getting it up to standard. I've included citations from numerous contemporary sources (Billboard, Village Voice, Vibe, and Black Radio Exclusive) that are more than passing mentions, as well as evidence of historical import from coverage in histories, documentaries, and mentions references in song lyrics and on album covers (should satisfy this criterion: 1.) Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable music sub-culture). As producers, the duo has sufficient production credits in their name to satisfy these criteria: 2.)Has composed a number of notable melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable music genre; The recording was in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.

Please advise on the status of these sources, and ways I can adjust the article to meet Wikipedia's standards.

One further question about sources: I wrote my Ph.D dissertation on the history of rap radio, and interviewed the Awesome II and their peers numerous times. I wrote a long chapter about their career and influence. I was told that my Ph.D dissertation does not count as a source (though this is Wikipedia's stance on the matter: Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a PhD, and which are publicly available, are considered publications by scholars and are routinely cited in footnotes. They have been vetted by the scholarly community; most are available via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), and so removed the citation. I currently have a book on this history of rap radio in contract with Duke University Press with a full chapter devoted to the Awesome II. Do forthcoming works count as sources?

The Awesome II have made incalculable contribution to hip hop music. Please help me meet this communities guidelines.

Jfklaess (talk) 17:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

18:38:04, 3 July 2020 review of submission by Carlobunnie
A reviewer, Robert McClenon, left a comment in the AFC section above my article two days ago using a template of some kind and I wanted to reply directly under it but I am unsure of how to do so/if I am also supposed to use a specific template for my reply to appear there. The usual 'replyto' did not seem appropriate. Carlobunnie (talk) 18:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In hindsight I think it's better if I withdraw my submission and keep working on the draft, but I would still like to reply to the reviewer first before doing so. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi . Follow your first instinct and use reply-to directly under the reviewer's comment on Draft:Stay Gold (BTS song). You could instead use the draft's talk page, the reviewer's talk page, or even this page, but what you have to say is most likely to be seen by the people who need to see it if you put it on the front of the draft. A recommendation to transition all communication about drafts to their talk pages (à la articles) comes up repeatedly, but doing so would require code changes, changing the habits of hundreds of reviewers, and educating new editors about talk pages, each of which is so daunting that the proposal has never gained traction. --Worldbruce (talk) 21:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the AFC template above my draft after a quick archive search on how to withdraw it. Is there anything else I need to do to/check? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:35, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What you've done removes it from the pool of submissions waiting to be reviewed. If you decide to submit it again, just add  at the top. As an autoconfirmed editor, AfC is an optional process for you. You may move the draft to article space yourself without submitting it for review. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:23, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you for your help. I appreciated the relatively quick and clear responses, and I'll definitely be resubmitting in future. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 06:49, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

21:52:52, 3 July 2020 review of draft by Menacinghat
how can i speed up draft acceptance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ben_Pentreath Menacinghat (talk) 21:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Do you have a conflict of interest with respect to the topic? If so, declare it. If not, then as an autoconfirmed editor, AfC is an optional process for you. You may move the draft to article space yourself at any time. At worst it might be deleted there. A reviewer has provided sage advice about how to improve the draft, advice that could help keep it from being deleted, but you don't have to take it. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You would need to resubmit the draft for review, once the concerns of the last reviewer have been addressed. I would advise against moving it to article space yourself, as if you do the draft will be treated more harshly than if you have it reviewed first. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)