Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 June 1

= June 1 =

06:15:46, 1 June 2020 review of draft by Gidicloud
Gidicloud (talk) 06:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm asking based on my first article which I wrote now it was declined, I want to asked what exactly is the problem, was the article not good enough and what can I do to make it approved
 * Your draft currently cites two sources:


 * alexa.com, which is afaik not considered a reliable source
 * www.sitejabber.com which doesn't appear to be reliable either
 * As such, the draft doesn't meet WP:NWEBSITE and cannot be approved in its current version. The criteria for websites are, in short, that multiple, reliable independent sources are cited in the article/draft. Note that it is important that such sources are given in the draft, asserting their existence without having them in there wont make a draft approved. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

06:22:07, 1 June 2020 review of draft by Sachi1307
Hello, Could you let me know if the list of product looks like a advertisement, but there are other Articles listing of product which are not deleted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-PEN

Sachi1307 (talk) 06:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read other stuff exists. It is usually a poor argument to cite other similar articles as a reason for yours to exist.  As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to go undetected, even for years.  We can only address what we know about.  In addition, as time passes, standards change and what was once acceptable may not be any longer. Your draft looks like an advertisement because it just tells about the company and its products.  Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage(not brief mentions, routine announcemments, staff interviews, etc.) say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable company).
 * If you know of other inappropriate articles, please point them out so they can be addressed. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for letting me know, I will revise it and resubmit again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachi1307 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 08:07:37, 1 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by DominicanWikiEdit1996
I'm requesting assisstance because I have edit several draft of a page and it keeps getting declined. It's a draft about a bachata group's album call "We Got Next" from Xtreme. This album was released in 2003 and there's barely information about it because the album didn't have notoriety at the time. The group never really mentioned a lot about the album because they were later on signed to a record label and then their 2005 album became know as their debut album. I've put in references and extra links to prove that the article is accurate, but it still gets rejected.

This is the link to the draft: Xtreme - We Got Next (Album)

DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk) 08:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I answered you at the Teahouse, please only use one method of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

My Apologies 331dot, that was done by mistake. I didn't realize I had send it twice — Preceding unsigned comment added by DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

12:28:09, 1 June 2020 review of submission by VidhyadhariK
Dear Team,

I just got to know the Draft:Chaithra Rai, got a mail saying that my article submission was declined, I what to the reason for rejection and also what to know what I am missing and in what criteria I have to improve my self and the data to be added resubmission.

VidhyadhariK (talk) 12:28, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

12:46:28, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Luca929
Luca929 (talk) 12:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I've never written a wikipedia page before so I am very clueless at what I am doing. I was tasked with doing for someone I know, thinking it would be simple but I was wrong.


 * Unfortunally I have to tell you that creating a new wikipedia article (not yust page) is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia, as writing a new article requires extended knowlegde of wikipedia content policies.
 * Since you describe that you have a relationship with the crator of that drink, we call that a Conflict of Interest at Wikipedia, its even harder.
 * If you are compensated for your edit in any way, you have to declare that to remain in consistence with the Wikimedia Foundation Terms of Use.
 * The draft in ist current state is full of puffery words, which may not be used in Wikipedia.
 * I currently have no opinion on wether the used sources are reliable and independent (the first ref is not), but maybe has more for this part. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank for the detailed explanations. As explained I echo the same thing, plus the tone of the draft seems to be purely WP:ADVERTISEMENT and reference sources read like they were sponsored by the company to report.  has 'rejected' the draft.  has also flagged the draft for 'undisclosed paid'. I think both of them may provide additional reasons and feedback on the problems with the draft. Thank you.  ~ Amkgp  ✉  17:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Run of the mill advert that would require WP:TNT to fix created by a UPE. Sulfurboy (talk) 17:36, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

14:02:38, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Newlywo
hello, I do not understand how Mr Isaac isnt notable.. we are talking about an Israeli journalist, editor and presenter on the biggest most viwed channel in Israel and mostly, a known personallty in Israel. There 5 Links and 19 References. I'm asking for a fair and new review to be made. Thank you.

Newlywo (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

13:38:00, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Amkgp
Amkgp (talk) 13:438, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Team, I've never written a Wikipedia page before. In fact, I got a warning before, for editing in Article Space without trying a sandbox edit. so I am very clueless about what I am doing. Now I got a review from Amkgp(Wikipedia member) that my article creation was disappointing. I am sorry for this action. Actually My idea was creating a company page article. But I don't know about the full editing about the article creation. Can you give me the solution for creating this page? Thank you in Advance.
 * (Note) This subject appears to be inside the the cryptocurrency area, which is currently under general sanctions. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You may go through Help:Your first article, and keep in mind what has pointed out. Its very important. You can always ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thank you

15:07:21, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Luca929
This is my first time creating a Wikipedia page. Can anyone give advice or assist on how to get this published? Luca929 (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It’s actually your second time creating a Wikipedia page, as this Draft:Treo (Drink) was also rejected. The topics are not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

15:32:53, 1 June 2020 review of draft by Amanniste
I would request a second look by an editor who might be more familiar with the subject of art as far as determination of notability is concerned

Amanniste (talk) 15:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

15:53:59, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Himanshuaroraa
Hi, I was trying to create an article for someone I know, I wrote content and added citations. but I did some mistakes, Now I am trying to figure out where I can make some improvements to get it live on Wikipedia. I got permission from Itsanupkumar. I do not what citations could be more reliable to Wikipedia. I request you to help me with this. Information I am providing is hundred per cent genuine. What tone can be acceptable?

This article has one more copy on Wikipedia as a draft. Can you also remove that and consider this?

Himanshuaroraa (talk) 15:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

18:31:31, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Nasimarad
Nasimarad (talk) 18:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Please somebody help me! I've tried many ways to put this article on Wikipedia which is about a really professional man but every time someone rejects it and I don't know why. If you know how I can fix this and if you can help me please do me a favor and contact me. I'm new in Wikipedia and I don't know why it is so hard to put a single article about someone's personal & professional life.

Volunteering
Hello Worldbruce

No i don't get any pay for trying to create this article. I have been working in this company for a long time (more than 19 years) and recently discovered that we don't have normal information on the Ukrainian wikipadia, and in general there is no page in the English version. I have no relation to the PR team or something like that, but I always like to see quality information. I act here as a volunteer, and as a person who knows the history of the company

My contribution to the wiki is so small that I don’t think anyone would be interested in my personal story on Mye profile. Although after you pointed out its absence, the thought of its creation was born.

usb31 19:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

19:41:49, 1 June 2020 review of draft by Caryplace7
I wrote a biography on Mike Greenhaus, Editor-in-Chief of Relix Magazine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mike_Greenhaus) I have been working on the biography for several weeks and it has been looked at by several editors. Last week an editor said I had enough articles (3) to show notability and that I should resubmit. However, another editor just rejected the claim of notability How do I proceed?

Caryplace7 (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

19:56:58, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Yoshiiiiiii
I am asking for a re-review because I added more context to who SOUL was and provided better citations to provide further context. Yoshiiiiiii (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

20:31:49, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Dylan Hendricks
I started this article on my own and have a draft page started, but I want to know how to add specific collaborators to my draft so we can work on it together. Dylan Hendricks (talk) 20:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

20:39:35, 1 June 2020 review of submission by Belltown9
Hi there: I'm sorry I'm having so much trouble with this page.

For what little it's worth, I'm on the board of The Rock Poster Society, and have written extensively on rock-poster artists at Collectors Weekly and elsewhere. I've also curated rock-poster exhibitions, such as this one at SFO Museum.

The problem with an artist like the late John Moehring, who I got to know before his death, is that the Seattle rock-poster artists in the late 1960s never got the attention and press from mainstream, traditional media outlets like their counterparts in San Francisco. As a result, their contributions have gone largely unsung. I have tried to correct that by contributing to a book on the subject, by writing about John, and by building a Wikipedia page in his memory. Collectors know how rare and valuable this work is, which is why I linked to a recent auction where many pieces went for above their high estimates. I have also linked to references to John (albeit passing ones) in publications by the University of Washington Press and testimony by Art Chantry. I even posted a link to all the John Moehring posters in the collection of the Museum of Pop Culture in Seattle.

There will never be a reference to John in Time or Newsweek or anything like that, so how does this important '60s psychedelic rock-poster artist get his Wikipedia page? Again, forgive me, but I'm stumped.

Best, Ben Marks Belltown9 (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

3 May 2020 review of submission by Cdg1072
Sam-2727 advises that I seek another opinion about my article the Change of Fortune Paradox, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Change_of_fortune_paradox. He suggested I point out the fact that it went through several declines, although this was because I resubmitted a few times. Subsequent to that string of submissions, finally some needed changes were actually suggested, and now those changes have been made. For example, theoretical views cited in the article are now attributed directly to their authors in all cases, not synthesized as plain declarative facts. Second, all the several theories (except one!) in the article are now at least linked to a third party, who mentions each view somewhere else--each viewpoint is tied to another secondary source. In accordance with that, the theories presented are being treated as primary sources--not secondary ones. If they were secondary sources, then they wouldn't need a secondary source to back them up. I would mention that there are numerous other Wikipedia articles that rely on primary sources too much. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche%27s_views_on_women

The other main problem with the Change of Fortune Paradox, at least in Sam-2727's opinion, is the structure. I'm surprised he's still unhappy with the structure. He seems to feel that the straight listing of a series of views on a problem, is too plodding and dull, as a structure. Sam-2727 doesn't state clearly that this is the problem, but I don't know what else he means. However, many Wikipedia articles that have no problem with structure, have this same structure. For example, the one I just showed you, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche%27s_views_on_women, and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_humor.Cdg1072 (talk) 20:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

22:14:00, 1 June 2020 review of draft by Honeymaidgrahamcrackers
Hey! What does it mean when you say that there isn't significant coverage?

Honeymaidgrahamcrackers (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * , hi there. One of the requirements source(s) need to show notability is a certain level of depth. This is fairly flexible, but it means that 2 good sources all about the subject is better than 20 short ones.


 * As to what lets a source meet "sig cov", there's room for dispute, but I use 10 lines, not counting quotes. You'd want a couple of sources that met that criterion Nosebagbear (talk) 13:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)