Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 June 12

= June 12 =

00:39:57, 12 June 2020 review of submission by 108.16.96.108
108.16.96.108 (talk) 00:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Simon,

I am the artist. From what I understand, a fan hired someone to have a Wiki page made without my knowledge. When the page was moved to drafts, I made a social media post asking if anyone knew what was going on and that person sent me a message explaining the situation. Apparently as the group had been written about extensively by publications deemed noteworthy by Wiki and played a number of festivals that already have Wiki pages, they wanted to surprise me by having one made. I guess they're as new to the creator's end of Wiki as I am, so they tried to hire a Wikipedia editor to do the actual making of the page. Apparently they simply gave the editor the cited publications and had them write everything from those alone. This explains the empty discography page, and my edits of incorrect information.

Please let me know what I can do in order to get this approved, as it would be really cool to actually have the page. I apologize if any rules were broken here, as I'm sure this person was just trying to be supportive towards this project and not malicious or disrespectful to the Wikipedia community.

Thanks a ton.
 * Please understand that your permission is not required or even relevant for a Wikipedia article to exist about you or your band. You cannot grant or deny permission for an article about your band, see WP:OWN. This is because Wikipedia summarizes what published independent reliable sources state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in this case, the definition of a notable band. Wikipedia is not for merely telling about a subject.  If you hire someone to write an article about your band, they are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to disclose that, per the paid editing policy.  They should also review conflict of interest. If your band meets the definition of a notable band, an article can exist about it if and only if the band receives significant coverage in independent sources, and the article should only summarize what those sources state. 331dot (talk) 00:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi 331dot -- I believe this page fits the criteria for the description of a "notable" musician, and therefore an article can exist about as the artist has received significant coverage in independent and reliable sources. These sources can be verified from the citations in the draft. Sources include full and nontrivial coverage independent of the subject by Decibel Magazine, Bandcamp Weekly, MetalStorm, The Wire, Uncut, Houston Chronicle, Vice Magazine, The Creator's Project, PopMatters, etc.

An abundance of additional citations note the frequent coverage in publications dedicated to the heavy metal and extreme music subcultures.

The article only summarizes what those sources state without bias.

In addition, this artist contains two members of notable bands Caina (band) and Ævangelist.

In addition, this artist has released multiple albums on major independent label Prophecy Productions.

In addition, this artist has been repeatedly recognized as one of the most prominent representatives of their genre as is evidenced by their multiple appearances at Roadburn Festival, Damnation Festival as well as other notable music festivals. This can be supplemented by the extensive coverage by independent publications indicating such as are cited in the draft.

It appears that the writer of the article did not disclose that they were paid for the creation of this page. I am unable to contact the creator of this page. Can this be fixed?

Thanks!

06:38:43, 12 June 2020 review of submission by Psbvinod
I am Requesting a re-review as i am trying to create a wikipedia page for my own company's application and this is my page I am submitting for wikipedia. Please guide me in rectifying the mistakes so that i can complete the page

Psbvinod (talk) 06:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Psbvinod - I am afraid but as the reviewer of your draft stated the subject of your article seems to lack criteria for being notable (see here Notability, furthermore since you have a close relationship to the subject you would have to follow the instructions at Plain_and_simple_conflict_of_interest_guide. CommanderWaterford (talk) 07:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

08:21:13, 12 June 2020 review of submission by Yellow Fantail
I created a page about the Veterinary Osteoarthritis Alliance (VOA) and submitted it on the 6th May. I have been checking in every now and again to see whether it has been reviewed and hopefully published but nothing yet. I cannot find confirmation of its status anywhere, so does that mean the article is not in the review process?

Please could you tell me how I can check that? If for some reason it has not been submitted I obviously want to do so as soon as possible.

Yellow Fantail (talk) 08:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You created a draft, but did not formally submit it for review. I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to do so.  However, if you were to submit it at this time, it would likely be rejected.  This is because your draft just tells about the organization.  Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization(please review).  Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

12:45:48, 12 June 2020 review of draft by Apriljennifer
I need help with editing the article that I submitted Draft:Chaim Sztajer. it said I didn’t have enough reliable sources, but I am not sure what counts as a reliable source. I included a full reference to a published biography including page numbers. I also included a couple other references where I could find them, however there is not a lot of information on this guy which is why I believe he needs a Wikipedia page so he can be more well known. most of what I know is from the Jewish Holocaust Museum in Melbourne Australia, not published material. is there a reason that the biography is not considered a reliable source? do I need to include online sources? I can’t find many of those. --Apriljennifer (talk) 12:45, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Apriljennifer (talk) 12:45, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . By "not adequately supported by reliable sources", the reviewer may mean that the draft makes too many statements for which there is no clear source. If so, the solution is not to add more sources, but to add more inline citations to the existing sources. Specifically, make it clear where the following information came from:
 * "He was immediately ... in mass graves."
 * "Some members ... shears and shovels."
 * "Sztajer encountered ... food with them."
 * "Sztajer married ... moved to Melbourne, Australia."
 * This should be fairly easy for you. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

18:08:20, 12 June 2020 review of draft by Samcosme
I need help with two things - 1) On Spanish Wikipedia, I need to move the title for it to say "Cesar Arevalo" instead of my username. 2) It says the page is to be deleted because of "the politics of the user". I wrote an english version but was told in a help chat that I needed to post the Spanish version on the Spanish Wikipedia. Thank you

Samcosme (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - well it is absolutely true what they said to you, a Spanish article needs to be published in the Spanish Wikipedia and if you need help you need also request it over there. They are completely different platforms/systems. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

19:34:25, 12 June 2020 review of submission by Kinman1996
I have added an additional reference link to my article to increase notability. Kinman1996 (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I do not see any question at all but let me tell you that both links are self-published references which do not prove at all any notability for Wikipedia. Please have a close look at Help:Your_first_article before resubmitting your draft. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

19:48:28, 12 June 2020 review of submission by Eeberbach
I request a re-review of my draft on Evolutionary Automata, because the rejecting editor was incompetent and biased - these are provable facts. Eeberbach (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Eeberbach, I really have my doubts that all the four reviewers were incompetent, so perhaps you should better think about how to improve/modify your article like it has been suggested by them. PS: Insulting Users does not help you at all. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * They also have made many help desk requests and have been told the same thing dozens of times. At this point, they are just wasting everyone's time. They have been throwing around insults since the beginning. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

21:27:46, 12 June 2020 review of submission by Beatanese
Hi! I tried reaching out to the person who reviewed my submission as well as Teahouse, but no one has answered me so far. My concern with this article being rejected is that there is another Wikipedia page just like this one, ShipBob. Both ShipMonk and ShipBob are fulfillment centers of similar size, so I'm not entirely sure why one would get accepted over the other.

In terms of the writing, I tried to remain as neutral as possible, despite my affiliation with the company (which I disclosed). I refrained from using glitzy adjectives or embellishing the article in any way — as you can see, it's very much factual.

I would really appreciate your help. Thanks in advance!

Beatanese (talk) 21:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Beatanese, the person who reviewed your draft is DGG but I have to tell you that there does not exist any page on Wikipedia for ShipBob at all and in the current state your draft is still simply an advertisement, which is not allowed here. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ShipBob was deleted on June 2 under speedy deletion criterion WP:G11.  JTP (talk • contribs) 01:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

22:50:38, 12 June 2020 review of submission by 108.16.96.108
108.16.96.108 (talk) 22:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I believe this page fits the criteria for the description of a "notable" musician, and therefore an article can exist about as the artist has received significant coverage in independent and reliable sources. These sources can be verified from the citations in the draft. Sources include full and nontrivial coverage independent of the subject by Decibel Magazine, Bandcamp Weekly, MetalStorm, The Wire, Uncut, Houston Chronicle, Vice Magazine, The Creator's Project, PopMatters, etc.

An abundance of additional citations note the frequent coverage in publications dedicated to the heavy metal and extreme music subcultures.

The article only summarizes what those sources state without bias.

In addition, this artist contains two members of notable bands Caina and Ævangelist.

In addition, this artist has released multiple albums on major independent label Prophecy Productions.

In addition, this artist has been repeatedly recognized as one of the most prominent representatives of their genre as is evidenced by their multiple appearances at Roadburn Festival, Damnation Festival as well as other notable music festivals. This can be supplemented by the extensive coverage by independent publications indicating such as are cited in the draft.

It appears that the writer of the article did not disclose that they were paid for the creation of this page. I am unable to contact the creator of this page. Can this be fixed?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.96.108 (talk • contribs)
 * Noone has talked about notability ever. The only concerns that were raised were WP:POV and WP:UPE. Note that the creator of the page is currently under an indefinite block for UPE. I am going to ping the two reviewers, if they have any specific advice. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I really appreciate the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.96.108 (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)