Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 June 27

= June 27 =

04:51:59, 27 June 2020 review of draft by Brightlikethis
Brightlikethis (talk) 04:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello. My article was rejected for not being objective. I have since made edits and changes. Should I let the person who reviewed the article know I submitted new material. Thanks.


 * Hi . There is no need to notify the previous reviewer. Any reviewer may do the next review. One advantage of having a different reviewer each time is that different people have different strengths and may focus on different aspects of the draft. If I were reviewing it, for example, I would tell you, among other things, that Discogs and IMDb are user-generated content, so they are not reliable sources, and should not be cited.


 * While you're waiting for the next review, it would be wise to address directly the question posed by the first reviewer. Do you have a conflict of interest regarding the topic? The best place to answer is on your own user page. You need not reveal your identity, but should disclose the nature of any connection you have, such as being a friend or relative of someone in the band, being in the band or having a professional relationship with it, or being in the business of promoting it. A sentence or two about why you want to edit Wikipedia and why you want to create an article on this topic in particular will smooth the collaborative process. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

07:04:18, 27 June 2020 review of submission by Princepratap1234
The Draft:Golden Petal Awards has been rejected as these are similar awards like Star Parivaar Awards, Zee Rishtey Awards and Sab Ke Anokhe Awards promoting shows of StarPlus, Zee TV   and Sony SAB respectively. So how can others have there page but this can't. Isn't this a partialty.

Princepratap1234 (talk) 07:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , If those awards don't meet Notability then you may nominate them for deletion. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

09:50:12, 27 June 2020 review of draft by NeworleansR&B
I'm very new to the world of wiki postings. I recently tried to post a page on the music impresario and recording artist manager Selwyn Miller, but the submission was declined citing not being "adequately supported by reliable sources." The draft page can be found here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Selwyn_Miller#Selwyn_Miller

I'd really appreciate your help and guidance about how to edit the article so that it gets approved. I'm wondering if the format I used for listing my sources was not correct or if it was a matter of not listing enough sources. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

NeworleansR&#38;B (talk) 09:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * One of the main problems is that you've cited reliable sources that don't really tell us anything about Selwyn Miller, whilst in the draft article you've included all kinds of biographical detail for which there is no source. Read Notability again for more information. Deb (talk) 10:01, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

10:57:07, 27 June 2020 review of submission by Pranavkumarking
Pranavkumarking (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but Wikipedia is not social media to send personal messages to family and friends. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

11:19:03, 27 June 2020 review of draft by Femkemilene
I'm not entirely sure of the process here. User:Regular Evan recently wrote, after some urging from my side irl, an article on Bayesian History Matching. It was rejected with the question of whether some unrelated Bayesian techniques could be added/checked whether there is duplication. He answered these concerns on the talk page, but the original reviewer, seems to have missed it (incorrect location?). Can I simply resubmit it with the current version? Integrating it with actually related statistics articles would be a daunting task, as those areas are now mostly missing.

Femke Nijsse (talk) 11:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Hi, and thanks for the ping. Yes, you're right, I missed noticing the talk page comments.  I can see why.  The way our WP:PING system works, users don't get notified unless you sign your comment.  My personal opinion is that this is quite broken in that regard, as this example illustrates, and you are in no way at fault for having been defeated by that.
 * Anyway, looking at the draft again, I'll go ahead and accept it now. My only concern was whether this could fit into another existing article, and you've explained why it doesn't. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * PS, our AfC process is also broken in that comments get scatter across multiple places. There's comments directly on the draft page, comments on the talk page, comments that get left on the reviewer's user talk page.  If there was one single place that comments were made, I think it would improve communication and help the reviewing process.  But, that's another soapbox. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks :). Always forgetting to sign when I'm pinging. Should have learned it by now. Femke Nijsse (talk) 12:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks :). Always forgetting to sign when I'm pinging. Should have learned it by now. Femke Nijsse (talk) 12:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 12:25:40, 27 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by 2A00:4802:24C:BC00:E017:7986:E1CF:14BE
Hello, I wrote an article which was declined for some reason. I provided references for the page, smart links and the content was unbiased, however it still wasn’t accepted. Could someone assist me, please? Thank you

2A00:4802:24C:BC00:E017:7986:E1CF:14BE (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm... While the citations are not technically correct, I would say that they are inline citations. I will invest some time now and attempt to correct them to technically correct inline citations. I think the decline here could be a bit bitey because you could be able to fix that in a few minutes. No comment on sources. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't decline the draft, I showed them where to find help with correctly formatting sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , No issues but it was never meant to WP:BITE from my side. I think the creator did not get the message that it was a formatting error only. Thanks for assisting and cheers. ~ Amkgp  💬  17:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

16:55:41, 27 June 2020 review of submission by Bernardboase
Acceptance of this draft article has been declined by editor User:Sulfurboy with the explanation that, in order to verify the information from reliable sources, he advises:

Of the five References, three are web links, and two are books from which I can perhaps find a suitable page number, though the books in question would not be at all easily available to a Wikipedia editor to verify.

I think the list of Publications provides a good indication of why the subject of the article should be recognised as a Notable Academic but I am, of course, open to susggestions for improvement and Wikipedia's specific requirements.

Many thanks for your help.

Bernardboase 17:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

19:30:46, 27 June 2020 review of submission by Dlb2321
All the references and sources are of my own YouTube channel and or other videos that I'm in. I don't understand why this article isn't notable. I'm am trying to submit my own article of myself under my entertainment presence.

Dlb2321 (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no interest in what the articles subject wants to say about himself, only what reliable sources have reported.

The article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. If there are no sources then we don’t have an article.Theroadislong (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

20:17:24, 27 June 2020 review of draft by Roareye
Roareye (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I'm publishing a page on a short film, Human Cargo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Human_Cargo_(2019)

I have followed all of the guidelines and it has wrongly been denied again. On my previous submission, it was declined due to a lack of reviews being on the page. I added a verifiable, independent review and someone called Calliopejen1 has declined it on absolutely zero grounds at all, adding false information by claiming no independent review was linked. What is the point in having strict guidelines to follow when your team/whoever that person is, can just deny them? They clearly didn't read the note I left on the page, the additional references added and the section added to refer directly to the independent review that was linked AND Wayback Machine/Internet Archive linked.

I'm furious at this, as the one prerequisite for it being accepted was met and declined for zero reason. The note left shows a lack of reading and actually doing any of the editorial work I assume they are supposed to do before a rejection.

If there is a reason for a further declined I'd like to know it, I have no issue working within the guidelines and I suggest the people given the privilege of editing the site also learn to follow them too.

Thank you.
 * It is VERY poorly sourced, Amazon and Twitter references need to be replaced they are not reliable, if it was in main space it would be sent straight to WP:AFD where it would struggle to survive. Theroadislong (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) This is a volunteer project, with tens of thousands of editors from around the world participating. As with any large organization, its members have different interpretations of policies and different viewpoints. There is no need to be angry over this or to be overly critical of the reviewers who choose to spend their available time here. I note that you have claimed a conflict of interest; if you worked on this film, you are a paid editor and must make the stricter paid editing declaration, a Terms of Use requirement.
 * I would concur with the reviewer; one review is not sufficient to demonstrate that this film meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable film. If you have additional coverage of this film in independent reliable sources, please offer those sources. 331dot (talk) 20:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . I hope you didn't pay UK Film Review for one of their "queue jumps". When Notability (films) talks about "full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics", it means reviews by James Christopher of The Times, Peter Bradshaw at The Guardian, or similar professionals. Reviews by unknown reviewers on a random website that solicits submissions to be reviewed are worthless for the purpose of demonstrating notability (suitability for inclusion in Wikipedia). The encyclopedia may not be used for any form of promotion, marketing, or public relations. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

21:57:39, 27 June 2020 review of draft by Don Battee
I have substantial articles but was not accepted can you help with the problem I am having ?

https://www.dallasweekly.com/articles/dallas-native-don-battee-co-stars-in-the-sapphires-film/

21:57:39, 27 June 2020 review of submission by {{SUBST:REVISIONUSER} Don Battee (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Don Battee (talk) 21:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * You appear to have come here to ask about a declined and very sparsely referenced autobiography. Generally it is unwise to write one became it can be disappointing to have it criticised for not falling pithing our guidelines. Fiddle  Faddle  22:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

this is a full article please can you explain why this article does not meet the qualification to create a page ?https://www.dallasweekly.com/articles/dallas-native-don-battee-co-stars-in-the-sapphires-film/

Don Battee (talk) 22:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do not create multiple discussions. To respond, simply edit this existing discussion by clicking "edit" in the section header, or "edit" at the top of this page(if you are using a phone, you may find this easier to do in the desktop version on a browser).  Your article is almost completely unsourced to independent reliable sources.  Any article about you should only discuss what independent sources state about you, not what you want to state about yourself.  Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, and autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged, please read WP:AUTO. 331dot (talk) 00:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . The Dallas Weekly is a start. It reads like PR material distributed by the film's promoters, or perhaps the actor's publicist, and its home town boy makes good puff-piece nature makes it less than ideal, but it is significant coverage. Novice editors are commonly advised to cite at least three independent, reliable, secondary sources that contain significant coverage of their topic. User:Don Battee/sandbox's other two sources are IMDb, which, being user-generated, is not a reliable source, and a company managing the actor, which is not an independent source (they have an incentive to promote him).
 * Another factor reviewers will consider in judging whether the topic is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia is how big the actor's roles are in notable productions. WP:NACTOR says entertainers are likely to be notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. The Sapphires is a notable film. Don Battee's role as Myron Ritchie is more significant that that of the actors portraying Government Official or Desk Clerk, but it's closer to them than to the stars like Chris O'Dowd on the spectrum of significance. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)