Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 June 3

= June 3 =

07:41:57, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Andrej Shadura
I was told my submission has tone issues. Apparently the fact I wrote this submission prevents me from seeing them, but I paid attention to using neutral tone as much as possible. How can I improve on that?

I would also like to point out my original thought was to expand the article on Vuze to include the information on BiglyBT since in the situation when the original project is more or less dead, and continues under a new brand, it seemed like a better fit to me, but my initial addition of a paragraph on that has been reverted as an attempt to spam and I was told that not until an article on that is written and accepted, it can be re-added. I’m honestly a bit afraid of touching that article again (I did add a paragraph on the original project being dead and to be fair I expected it to be reverted just because I added it.)

I have no conflict of interest whatsoever in this case, this is not part of any promotion campaign, and to be honest it hurts quite a bit to be seen as a spammer after editing Wikipedia for many years and having proven track record of never spreading spam or being involved in any similar activity.

Andrej Shadura (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

04:59:55, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Lifedoory
I have edited to avoid promotional content. Our wikipedia page also has published on Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cakap

Lifedoory (talk) 04:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * who is "our"? Wikipedia accounts are for singlee-person-use only. Different Wikipedias are seperate projects with their own rules, so the existence of an article in one Wikipedia cannot be cited as a reson to include it in a different one. At least two of the current references are not independent, the first and the last one. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

05:22:12, 3 June 2020 review of draft by Terminatorwil
Could you help me understand why the wikipedia page did not get approved as there were enough citation in it.

Terminatorwil (talk) 05:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Some of the draft's sources, namely MSN, Radio and Television Magazine, Al-Wafd, and Saudi Gazette are generally reliable within their domains. I don't speak enough Arabic to judge whether specific pages from those outlets are independent (e.g. not press releases or churnalism), reliable (e.g. not editorial or opinion), and significant coverage. The reliability of the draft's other sources, Destination, Al Roeya News, elsaba7.com, Business Transformation, and The Modern East, is unclear. The draft would make a somewhat more favourable impression if you eliminated or replaced the questionable sources.


 * More fundamentally, Emara's accomplishments are unlikely to impress reviewers. Motivational speakers who give workshops on positive energy and have won obscure awards of dubious notability just don't stack up well against academics the likes of B. F. Skinner, Steven Pinker, or George Armitage Miller. Any draft about Emara is liable to sound promotional. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

08:06:28, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Rahulraop
Dynamo is a public star and i think his info should be included on wikipedia.

Rahulraop (talk) 08:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No indication in the draft that he meets any of the criteria at WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 08:13, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

08:43:11, 3 June 2020 review of submission by VaJaMe
VaJaMe (talk) 08:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * this draft is largely the same as the company website, and therefore, fails Wikipedia's purpose as an encyclopedia. It largely uses the company's website as a source and therefore also fails WP:NCORP. Wikipedia articles should be based mostly on stuff others have written about the subject in reliabe sources, not what the subject has writen or said about itself. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 09:19:23, 3 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Dupontdupontdupont
Hello, I would need some help to publish the article I started to write about Royal Limoges, the oldest Limoges porcelain manufacture still in activity. My article was refused for edition because of a lack of sources. There are many more sources in French but not that many in English. Can you help me to publish this new page?

Dupontdupontdupont (talk) 09:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sources do not need to be in English, but they do need to be independent reliable sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 09:25:30, 3 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Rakesh862
Hi, I am looking to create a page for an elder care service in Chennai. I have already made two drafts of the page and they were declined. I have used only verified sources. Can you please help me on what are the topics or sections need to be included for this page? The page is about a startup that provides elder care.

Also, please tell me what kind of sources I need to consider.

PS: I am new to Wikipedia and this is my first time making a page. Thank you Rakesh862 (talk) 09:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC) Rakesh862 (talk) 09:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You need independent reliable sources with significant coverage, and the article (not just "page") should only summarize what those sources say. The sources you have offered are press release type articles or brief mentions. Please also read the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company to ensure this company meets it. If you are associated with this company in any way, you must read and formally comply with the paid editing and conflict of interest policies. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

11:22:39, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Natalia Prislonova Ordenador ASUS
How do you become an editor/become an Wikipedian? I want to join, but i might get confused alot. I might need explanations about things i need to know and i don't know how. I have an editor already, but i don't know how to do things, i'm still a newbie in Wikipedia/here. Thank you!&#45;--- (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hi . Being a successful Wikipedian is 90% reading and 10% editing. The links in the welcome box on your user talk page are a good place to start. Concentrate on improving existing articles instead of trying to start new ones, until you are experienced. A good place to find ways to help is Community portal.
 * You may be able to get more specific advice if you describe in a few sentences on your user page your skills, interests, and resources. Many tasks require a high degree of fluency in English, but some can be done with limited English. A few require a command of another language. Access to good libraries, especially ones at world-class research universities, is very helpful. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

11:48:50, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Iayaz
Hi, i have written this page about an industrial area which is famous in punjab. Major development work has been completed. I have added 6 refrences for verification of its notability .Please review Iayaz (talk) 11:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've commented on the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

12:57:39, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Theonetwoandthree
I submitted 'the Balkans' and was then asked to add more evidence, I resubmitted it with further evidence but was declined again. I can't see anywhere any numerical requirement that says a certain number of sources should be provided. I've followed all the help pages and still, it is declined. Would someone please be able to help me get this page to abide by the rules if it does not already do so. Im happy to provide any further evidence but I'm sure that cant be the issue. Many thanks Theonetwoandthree (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)Theonetwoandthree (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * IMDb and Amazon are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 13:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

13:48:00, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Shahmohammadimehran
I wrote this article about Mahyar Shadorvan, a musician, singer, and teacher of Persian traditional music. Due to the focus of his activities in Persian local and traditional music, most of references existing about him are in Persian language. I wonder if rejection of my article is due to tone of writing or because of the references used. In training Persian vocal music, he is considered as one of the most known in Iran's capital. He was educated under well known vocal musician of Iran, including Mohammad Reza Shajarian, and Mohsen Keramati. He has professional and dedicated albums and books to learning and deepening the understanding of mixing vocal and music and poem in Persian

So I appreciate if I can get a feedback on why my article was rejected and how I can show the importance of this article.

Thanks, Mehran Shahmohammadi

Shahmohammadimehran (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference, at that would mean circularity. refs #7 and #8 are unnesesary, and can be moved to an "external links" section if they adhere to the external links policy (they probbably don't). This draft uses puffery words like great and various. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

14:59:08, 3 June 2020 review of draft by MVP2020
Hello, What do I need to do so that my draft: Meike Peters will be reviewed? Thanks a lot!

MVP2020 (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi You simply need to submit it for review by clicking the blue button at the bottom of the grey review box at the top of the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

15:35:40, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Jeet Nakum
Jeet Nakum (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't an how-to-guide. You may want to look at WP:YFA to see what we expect from new articles. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

15:56:08, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Saalves
For security reasons and to protect her privacy, I did not put in her birth date of December 13 and only put in her year of birth. The reviewer put in her birth date. How can I respond to the reviewer? I'm fine with changes for accuracy, better sentence structure or word choice.

Saalves (talk) 15:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You can talk to on User talk:Amkgp, which is his user talk page and intended to leave him a message. In this case, I have sent him a notification about this discussion, so he will probbably respond here, as discussions should not be splitted across multiple pages. Howewer, as stated in the decline notice, there is probbably a bit more work to do to bring this to a state where it can be moved to mainspace. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have not interfered with the draft except reviewing. You can verify from the diffs. See diff1 and diff2. The edit what is asking may be referring to this. Please address the issue to the concern person. Thank you.  ~ Amkgp  ✉  17:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think can provide additional inputs regarding the problems with the draft. Thank you.  ~ Amkgp  ✉  17:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Your accusation seems to be wrong I think. After scrutiny I found complete dates were provided by you. None of the reviews, editors or commentators have added it. See the 2nd paragraph here of your version. ~ Amkgp  ✉  17:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Whoever added the exact date of birth to the draft, it should not be there as per WP:DOB unless there is cited evidence that it has been widely published outside of Wikipedia, or published by or with the obvious consent of the subject, such as on the subject's own website, or by the subject in an interview. In most cases the year of birth is enough to provide context, to place the person in their proper time. The Wikipedia style, as shown at MOS:BIRTHDATE, is to use John Smith (Born 1958) not Joan Smith (1958-) because the latter form can be mistaken to mean that the person is dead but the date of dfeath si not known, or not reliably sourced. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The formatting suggestions that I made above at, on ref usage and section headers has not yet been acted on. I did several edits to show the proper way to handle this, but I intentionally did not fix issues throughout the draft, leaving it as an exercise for the drafter. Please follow up, . DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 16:57:27, 3 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Kb vision
Kb vision (talk) 16:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * no independent citations, no article. In addition, you are using a Username that implies its representing a group which is not permitted. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

18:42:32, 3 June 2020 review of submission by Bobkuzi
I have made some edits to the article, after it was initially declined. Could you please let me know if this is suitable for posting on Wikipedia, or if you have any specific advice on what I can do to edit it? Thank you! Bobkuzi (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Rejection is meant to convey that the topic is not notable (not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia). No amount of editing can fix that problem, so volunteers do not intend to review the draft again. Wikipedia may not be used for any kind of advertising, promotion, or public relations. --Worldbruce (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

18:55:04, 3 June 2020 review assistance needed - Indy beetle
I'm able to launch the script to review this draft, but for some reason it will not let me "Accept" the submission. When I click it nothing happens. It does give me options for commenting or rejecting though. Either the script is useless or I am. -Indy beetle (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Indy beetle (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am also having the same issue with Draft:Simeon Farr. Theroadislong (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

18:55:38, 3 June 2020 review of submission by EditorF
EditorF (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Ignite India is inspired by Honourable Former President of India Dr. Abdul Kalam’s vision of “India  Beyond 2020”. Our aim is to fulfil his vision by empowering society and transforming India into a developed nation through education. We Design, Management and Technology professionals manage this initiative and help in providing quality education in the view of producing a new generation of creative, innovative and Ignited minds.

Website - https://www.igniteindiaedu.com/ Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSaHYcKbTZViku1Olq_vSQA Instagram - www.instagram.com/ignite_india

NEWS Links 1. - https://indiaeducationdiary.in/children-to-paint-their-imagination-of-clean-ganga-this-environment-day/

2.https://www.thestatesman.com/india/young-sparkling-minds-shine-apj-abdul-kalam-ignite-awards-2019-1502831357.html

3.https://www.deccanchronicle.com/science/science/150117/innovators-mission-to-ignite-abdul-kalams-vision.html

4.https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/politics/160619/anand-bhaskar-rapolu-proposes-to-declare-kalams-birthday-as-national.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorF (talk • contribs) 19:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Your draft have been declined because of these following problems: (1) The tone of draft is totally WP:PROMOTIONAL which is not acceptable in Wikipedia. (2) Usage to WP:BAREURLS needs to be avoided. If you are not sure how to cite reference visit WP:REFB (3) Usage of words like 'our' and 'we' makes us to believe that the editor is closely connected to the subject and should comply with WP:COI terms. (4) In infobox website is of organization is mentioned as "http://www.nift.ac.in/" which a Government of India funded education institution. How is it connected to IGNITE INDIA missing. ~ Amkgp  ✉  19:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The user has updated the draft and also changed the website. Its still WP:PROMOTIONAL. ~ Amkgp ✉  19:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

20:09:55, 3 June 2020 review of submission by River44116
Please give us a more detailed explanation of why we were declined and how can fix this. We would like for Organic Spa Media to have a wikipedia page and these articles were submitted from an event held by the company. River44116 (talk) 20:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * All you submitted were some external links, that does not constitute an article. Theroadislong (talk) 20:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The page User:River44116/sandbox currently has as its only content a URL linking to a page of an online magazine, one filled with ads by the way, apparently including a story about an event. It is not at all clear if you intend to write about the event, the magazine, or the event's sponsor.
 * A Wikipedia article about a topic must consist primarily of original prose describing that topic in a neutral manner. It must establish and demonstrate the notability of the topic. In the case of a corporation or similar organization, it should meet our guideline on the notability of corporations. The usual way to do this is to include citations to multipl professionally published reliable sources that are independent of the organizatio0n and of each other, that si they are not business affiliates of the subject, nor are they working from a press release, nor is the content largely an interview with the subject or a spokesperson for the subject. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)