Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 March 26

= March 26 =

03:45:41, 26 March 2020 review of draft by Sunstone23
Hello! I am new to Wikipedia, but I would like to request help in editing a draft for a company called "MGP Live." As I disclosed in the talk page for this draft, Massimo Gallotta (the founder and CEO of the company) is a personal friend of mine, and I think that the work his company has done deserves a Wikipedia page. I have been working on the new page, and I have been rejected twice. I am hoping that an experienced editor could take a look at this and share any updates, feedback, or suggestions that could improve the odds of this page being accepted.

I believe that MGP Live is noteworthy enough to be included in Wikipedia because it has played a significant role in developing the "live Video game music concert" phenomenon. The unique productions of MGP Live have also been covered extensively in international press including The New York Times, Financial Times, LA Times, Variety, and many other local and music-related news.

Any help or advice would be very much appreciated. Thank you very much! Sunstone23 (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sunstone23 (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , It needs to be clearly demonstrated how this subject passes the rigorous requirements of WP:NCORP. It is also highly recommend that you do not make contributions on behalf of a subject that you have a WP:COI with. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

04:00:57, 26 March 2020 review of submission by Beatleswillneverdie
What do I need to do for the article to be accepted? Can you give me some examples? Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 04:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , The article has been rejected which means that no level of fixing will make the song notable again. Please review WP:NSONG for guidelines surrounding recommended criteria for future song pages you might want to make. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I have seen that books like “Nirvana The recording sessions” are good sources. I see that in all the other nirvana article. Can I use that as a reference?
 * Again, the article has been rejected which means it will not be considered further. You can add whatever you'd like to the draft, but that isn't going to change the fact that it won't be reviewed again. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

06:34:55, 26 March 2020 review of submission by Fojifon
Fojifon (talk) 06:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Fojifon, your article was rejected for two reasons. First, it doesn't appear that it meets Wikipedia's strict notability criteria. That is, it is unlikely that there exists multiple independent sources that mention the subject of the article non-trivially. More importantly (in my opinion), the article is written in a promotional tone, with the intent to promote the subject of the article rather than present neutral information about the subject of the article. Articles must be written in a neutral point of view. If you would like to continue editing Wikipedia, I would encourage you to edit one of the many already created articles, as creating your first article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. Let me know if you have further questions! Sam-2727 (talk) 15:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

11:47:45, 26 March 2020 review of submission by JWS89
Hello, my submission for the International Teqball Federation was rejected because "submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." I of course want to rectify that but I wanted to check if the issue was with the number of sources I included or also with the sources I included? Obviously for some sections like rules of the game or member federations, the most reliable source is the website of the governing body which is what I have referenced. Is that acceptable or does it still need to be an independent reliable source? I am asking because I don't believe there will be many sources other than the governing body website that actually describe the rules in detail. I want to make sure I am getting this all right so it can be approved and I would greatly appreciate guidance on this. Many thanks in advance

JWS89 (talk) 11:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are writing an article about the organization that governs this sport, the rules for the sport shouldn't be in it- they should be in the article about the sport itself. If the article is about the governing body, it should only describe what independent reliable sources say about the organization itself, not the sport. Those sources must also have significant coverage- meaning they should be more than just brief mentions or announcements of things the organization has done. Press release type articles are not acceptable as reliable sources for this reason. If the organization does not get significant coverage of itself, it would not merit a standalone article at this time.
 * If you are associated with this organization, you need to review WP:COI and WP:PAID for formal disclosures you may need to make. 331dot (talk) 11:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

12:20:48, 26 March 2020 review of submission by 2600:1700:E5A0:2C60:1984:6A1B:D588:44A8
2600:1700:E5A0:2C60:1984:6A1B:D588:44A8 (talk) 12:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! The only contribution from the IP address you are editing as is this page, but I see the draft that you are enquiring about. The subject that you are writing an article on likely doesn't comply with Wikipedia's notability criteria. That is, it isn't supported by multiple independent reliable sources, and those sources likely don't exist. Youtube videos are generally not considered reliable, nor are tweets or "fandom" sites. Additionally, your article seems to be written as a promotion. That is, by indiscriminately listing all characters on the T.V. show, there seems to be an intention to promote the T.V. show rather than presenting a neutral summary of information about it. If you would like to continue editing Wikipedia, I would encourage you to edit an article that has already been created. Creating your first article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. Sam-2727 (talk) 15:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

13:17:57, 26 March 2020 review of submission by Bamas100
I don't understand why the page is still marked as draft and I require assistance to move it to a publishable format. What do I need to do? Bamas100 (talk) 13:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You have submitted the draft and it is awaiting review. This will take some time so you will need to be patient.  I see that you have declared a COI, but you may need to make the stricter paid editing declaration. 331dot (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What might be confusing you is that the article was originally accepted by a bad faith editor. Did you perhaps have any connection to the user that originally accepted your article? If not, I apologize for the confusion. I will note that your article is currently at risk of being rejected because of a promotional tone. Sentences like "launches landmark USD500 million Credit" serve only to promote the subject and not present factual information about it. Sam-2727 (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

13:35:42, 26 March 2020 review of draft by KennyParis
KennyParis (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, the page i'd like to create on the artists Picard Brothers keeps being declined because of my sources but i don't  understand why. Would be great to have help on this please. Thank you
 * As you were told in the comments on your draft, you have not offered independent reliable sources with significant coverage, like news stories about these musicians, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. If such coverage does not exist, this pair would not merit an article at this time. It isn't enough to just cite the existence of their music. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

19:19:36, 26 March 2020 review of submission by Beatleswillneverdie
How come Nirvana songs like "Opinion" and "Talk to Me" have their own articles? Those songs were never even released while the band was together. And they even didn't chart anywhere. Some Nirvana songs didn't even chart and they still have articles. How did those get created when they didn't even enter any charts? Beatleswillneverdie (talk) Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Any subject, be it a song, business or person, merits an article on Wikipedia if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. The criteria for a notable song is at WP:MUSIC. Your draft only offers three sources that do not seem to have significant coverage of the song. 331dot (talk) 20:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

20:09:58, 26 March 2020 review of draft by Praundo
I just submitted my draft (Draft:Burgundian State), followed the steps, but no pending submission banner appears. Is it normal? Sincerely yours Praundo (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It is at the bottom of the draft. 331dot (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

21:14:39, 26 March 2020 review of submission by IceAgeEcologist
Removed pointer to twitter account. I apologize for mistake. As a newbie, it comes across as hostile to flag my page for speedy deletion without some dialog or chance to fix. Wikipedia user page guidelines say that brief bios are OK. IceAgeEcologist (talk) 21:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * It's fine to write a few sentences about yourself on your user page, in accordance with User pages. Don't submit such pages for review by Articles for Creation (AfC). As the name implies, only content intended for article space should go through that process, and this content would not make an acceptable encyclopedia article. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

22:17:53, 26 March 2020 review of submission by Mehr Shahrose Munir
[ actually, i'm requesting because he must be on Wikipedia so that people would know about him easily. He is a motivation for youth. After knowing his life journey, young students of the world will get motivation from this article. Mehr Shahrose Munir (talk) 22:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles must have multiple reliable independent sources that provide significant coverage about the subject. We don't create articles otherwise, regardless if you believe they "must" be on Wikipedia. You also probably need to disclose conflict of interest. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)