Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 May 14

= May 14 =

00:15:40, 14 May 2020 review of draft by Convoeur
Completely at a lost to understand how a submitted article fails the inline citation policy. The citations included are to sources like the New York Times and the Atlantic. From policy: "...they should be reliable; that is, credible published materials with a reliable publication process whose authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand."

Patterned this entry on about three dozen similar entries for other bishops in the Episcopal Church. Unclear what the substantive difference is.

Convoeur (talk) 00:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi I'm quite sure that decline was an error, it's quite easy for a reviewer to accidentally click the wrong decline reason. Please feel free to resubmit it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

01:27:57, 14 May 2020 review of draft by CTR117
I've been attempting to create a article on the company Merle Norman Cosmetics but it has been declined twice because of it being judged that it reads like an advertisement, but I didn't include puffery or use any non-cited material/statements that might cause that result.

When the article was declined the only feedback I received was that it "read like an advertisement" and not why or where it did. Could the article have a quick read-through to leave any recommendations or fixes to avoid it being declined for an advertisement again?

Thanks!

CTR117 (talk) 01:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's promotional because it just tells about the company. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, in this case, the definition of a notable company.  331dot (talk) 09:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

01:49:09, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Greg c1988
Can I please get someone to re-review this, in light of the additional reference that has been added. Thank you

Greg c1988 (talk) 01:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , The additional source does very little. Also, the article has been rejected which means a fellow reviewer has determined there is no hope at this time of demonstrating notability (a decision I endorse) as such it will not be considered further at this time. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

02:19:49, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Nilabh Shivam 333
Nilabh Shivam 333 (talk) 02:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

05:18:47, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Jschwarz85
Added references as per requests. Jschwarz85 (talk) 05:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , The article has already been rejected which means a fellow reviewer has determined there is no shot at currently demonstrating notability. As such, it will not be considered further at this time. Even if it was, the added sources are not compelling and would not meet any notability threshold. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia refers to Bubbleblabber multiple times when making references as seen here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Bubbleblabber&go=Go&ns0=1

That enough should make notability threshold.
 * No it doesn't, as sources need to be reliable to count towards Notability, and Wikipedia doesn't consider itself a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

05:24:11, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Richard12x
I request a review, as the editor may not think the article is notable however, in the Caribbean region and an entire country it is very notable. I refer to multiple examples of Hotels in the Caribbean with their own pages setting a precedent;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Lane_(resort) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Royal_Pavilion_(Resort) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmond_Cap_Juluca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CuisinArt_Resort_and_Spa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carimar_Beach_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_Aruba_Resort_%26_Casino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Rock,_St_Barths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheval_Blanc,_St_Barths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Le_Toiny

I believe this is enough reason to re-consider this article for publication

Richard12x (talk) 05:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , The article has been rejected, which means it will not be considered further. Notable or not (probably not) the overriding issue is that the page is just a run of the mill advertisement for the hotel. If I had reviewed it I would have nominated it for WP:G11 as being unambiguously promotional. So, in essence, the rejection was probably a pretty friendly response. I would avoid using Wikipedia in the future for advertising. There's better outlets for it. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

05:52:41, 14 May 2020 review of draft by Daniel Hopwood
I am requesting help as I am not sure why Dhananjay Datar is not Wiki-able. It seems like in the Middle East business world he has had much more than a "passsing" reference. He has been noted by Forbes among other journals. Please explain further.Daniel Hopwood (talk) 05:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Daniel Hopwood (talk) 05:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

06:41:06, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Chetali11
Please help in publish the article as there are many glossary pages on wikipedia. Chetali11 (talk) 06:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Feel free to point out these other inappropriate pages so they can be addressed. We can only address what we know about.  As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate pages to go undetected, even for years. See WP:OSE. 331dot (talk) 09:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

07:02:19, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Zagreb12345
Hi, I added a reference for every single citation on the page. Can you please review and let me know if there are any changes needed? Thank you so much!

Zagreb12345 (talk) 07:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

13:07:42, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Techniees109
Techniees109 (talk) 13:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

15:40:07, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Trashfan
Nora Baldenweg is featured in the article Diego Baldenweg with Nora Baldenweg & Lionel Baldenweg. The purpose of this article is to have Nora Baldenweg added to the categories like "female film score composers" which apply only to her. Thank you for helping me finalise this article to meet Wikipedia standards.

Trashfan (talk) 15:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

17:06:52, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Doogierev
It would be really useful to know how I can amend the article further to increase the objectivity of the tone of voice. I have removed some additional information which could be interpreted as subtly promotional (i.e. reference to the low-income context of Seddon's background - even though this is well sourced across a number of broadsheet media articles). But it would be good to get any further advice on how to improve the article further. I have ensured I have commented my changes so it's easier for reviewers to see where I have made edits, which may been missed previously due to a dearth of quality commenting on my part.

Thank you,

Doogie.

Doogierev (talk) 17:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

19:34:16, 14 May 2020 review of draft by EricaVonnn
First Question: My chart was denied for "lack of context." If I am writing a page about the Hite Art Institute, what sort of information is needed to provide context for their department heads? Can I publish components as I go, or do I need to finish the whole page before I publish? I assumed the lacking context was that the page was submitted unfinished, but I wanted to make sure I understood before my content was declined again and deleted. Should I keep publishing items to my sandbox in order to keep them saved and then publish the page as a whole?

Second Question: I have drawn from a fair amount of unpublished historical information from first-hand accounts within the department. For instance, one professor wrote a log from the 1960s of how many classes were being taught, how many buildings we had, the local organizations involved, etc. This was kept as a record for the department, not published. How do I cite this? I have his name and the essay title, and I could find out the year that he wrote it, but again it was not "published" for the remaining portions of the citation.

EricaVonnn (talk) 19:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

20:54:27, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Umegbewe Nwebedu
I don't really understand why my article was declined i would appreciate if explained properly to me and what to do Umegbewe Nwebedu (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

20:58:17, 14 May 2020 review of submission by Naaomii9903
I would like to know why my submission was declined. The thing is Mooftsh is a social media news channel and it is bringing a lot of news (local and international) to the society in Kuwait through their accounts in different Social Media because most of the people are active in Social Media nowadays. In the respond I got for this page was that there were not that enough references for this page. Because of this page is focusing mostly on bringing news through Social Media, there are not that many articles about it. Expect for the one where they won the best news page. The only trustful references and information is their social media accounts that I have added in External links. You can check their twitter account https://twitter.com/mooftsh?lang=gu/

Naaomii9903 (talk) 20:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If this social media channel does not have significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, it would not merit an article on Wikipedia at this time, no matter how well you write it. Facebook merits an article because multiple independent reliable sources have written about it. Wikipedia is not interested in what the channel says about itself, as Wikipedia exists only to summarize what others say about it. 331dot (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

331dot (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have added references, reliable references that has been talking about the news agency. But still it was declined. The only reason I can guess why they were suspected as not reliable is because they are in Arabic. Can it be because of that? Naaomii9903 (talk) 12:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

23:36:50, 14 May 2020 review of draft by BGT1538
Hello, I am working on the article and I thank you for your collaboration to complement it mainly on the issue of references so that it can be approved, since the cachacos are an important ethnic group in Bogotá.

BGT1538 (talk) 23:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)