Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 May 22

= May 22 =

00:34:28, 22 May 2020 review of draft by Lex9000
I wrote a chemistry page about a specific molecule. I was told it was too esoteric or specific or something. Idk how to generalize it or make it more accessible with out teaching an organic chemistry lesson on the page. I looked at pages for other molecules but they were similar. What should I do?Lex9000 (talk) 00:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC) Lex9000 (Sulfurboy (talk) 04:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

02:51:37, 22 May 2020 review of draft by GenteelVirginian
I am trying to publish this draft (Draft:COMINT Consulting). The sources ARE good so I am not sure why it keeps being denied.GenteelVirginian (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC) GenteelVirginian (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

03:24:27, 22 May 2020 review of submission by SowmyaPURUSHOTHAMAN
how to give information about wp:creative. and how to clear the error in the draft. SowmyaPURUSHOTHAMAN (talk) 03:24, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 05:06:31, 22 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by TaylorRiess
I'm writing regarding my draft:George_Tourville article. It appears I've been rejected because my subject does not appear in the news enough to be considered notable. However, it only appears that way because the local newspaper only started releasing stories digitally in 2006, so when you do a simple internet search of the guy, nothing too interesting comes up (he did most of his important things from 2002 to 2005). I am a resident of the city of relevance in the article and I, using my local library, searched through archived articles from the two local newspapers. As a consequence, a lot of my sources for the article are basically unreachable for the average Wikipedia user unless they go down to my local library. I understand this is a problem for verification of sources, but is there any way around this? There's really not many interesting articles mentioning him post-2006, so I really don't know what I can do when my local newspaper is my primary source for a lot of information in the article, and for identifying the subject as being a person of importance.

Thanks for your consideration, TaylorRiess (talk) 05:06, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There never has been and never will be a requirement that references must be available online. Simple references, in whatever style you choose, are quite adequate. The big problem is that this guy was the mayor of a small town, and never achieved anything that qualifies as notability by Wikipedia standards; that's why all your references are to the local paper. A mayor of Toronto or even Minneapolis is generally notable enough to justify an article in a global encyclopedia. A mayor of East Gnathole, South Dakota? Not so much. I fear that Tourville falls more into the East Gnathole class than the Toronto class. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

06:53:30, 22 May 2020 review of draft by Newystats
What do you mean by insufficient context�?

The page is to aid readers navigating through deputies elected to the various constituencies of the department. Should I rename it to a list to make it clear to reviewers what the page is for? Newystats (talk) 06:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . It's strange to focus so narrowly on Ain. If all departments used proportional representation in that election, then a List of deputies of the 8th National Assembly of France, ordered by department, would be a more useful navigation aid. It also would fit in better with the existing List of deputies of the 11th National Assembly of France ... List of deputies of the 15th National Assembly of France and thus gain easier acceptance from other Wikipedians. If you don't have time to populate the whole list, you could start it with Ain, and other editors could expand the list until it is complete.
 * Whatever approach you take, as an experienced editor, Articles for Creation is an optional process for you. If you believe the page is now adequately sourced, you may move it back to article space yourself. The worst that could happen is that it could be nominated for deletion if someone disagrees. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

08:28:11, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Bluegene18
Hello. A more experienced Wikipedia editor has kindly revised this article. Is it now suitable for resubmission? Thank you. Bluegene18 (talk) 08:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

08:36:45, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Sohinimoitra84
Please could you kindly elaborate why does the article seem to have a Conflict of interest with Zee Bangla? I am trying to contribute to Wikipedia based on information collated from local newspaper, interviews about Bengali Television actors or shows and the involved cast.

The earlier draft had few unnecessary adjectives, and redundant information. The details have been cleaned and the information has been written in more factual format that has been used for other Bengali Television actors on Wikipedia - For eg: Jeetu Kamal,Debadrita Basu etc. Thank you for your consideration.

Sohinimoitra84 (talk) 08:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

10:14:00, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Helpseo7pp
Helpseo7pp (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

10:14:00, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Helpseo7pp

Any input on why my citations for Experience Travel Group have not been deemed acceptable. All citations mentioned are published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (by Wikipedia's definition!!).

11:52:03, 22 May 2020 review of draft by Rhoknee
I have provided all the links where I picked the content in references but still I was requested to provide citation. Should these be within the Article?

Rhoknee (talk) 11:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Using inline citations is a small technical step in the right direction, but it's nowhere near enough to make the draft acceptable. There is a huge gap between what the cited sources say, and what the draft claims. Taking just the first source as an example:


 * An even bigger problem is that it is unlikely that you will be able to show that an undersecretary and author of one book is notable (suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia). There simply aren't multiple, independent (i.e. not his employer), reliable, secondary sources which contain significant coverage (not passing mentions) of him. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

12:16:51, 22 May 2020 review of draft by Rawsar
I need help on expanding this article. Rawsar (talk) 12:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the book, showing how it meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable book. The sources you have are not such sources. If there are no independent sources with significant coverage, the book would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

13:39:40, 22 May 2020 review of draft by Emma4ph
How to write a biography about myself

and also what the sample? Emma4ph (talk) 13:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Unlike Facebook, LinkedIn, or similar sites, Wikipedia not a place to write about yourself. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

14:26:14, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Andrj163
I've tried submitting this page a couple times, and we've been declined every single time. My colleague (klest001) and I work for the Association of Independent Mortgage Experts which is a non-profit organization that works to assist independent mortgage brokers communicate their value to consumers. One of the ways we wanted to help educate consumers is to maximize the searchability of the mortgage lenders in the wholesale space that offer the best options to consumers starting with UWM and United Shore as they are the largest in the space at this time and continue to add pages as our time allows.

Our organization is uploading the Wikipedia pages as a consumer education tool but our reference material to write the submissions was pulled from articles and press materials which might have contributed to the promotional language. Do you have any advice for the best method to add pages effectively?

Andrj163 (talk) 14:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:United Shore Financial Services has been correctly rejected outright. Wikipedia is not a marketing tool for your organisation. Theroadislong (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

15:11:05, 22 May 2020 review of submission by As0987
As0987 (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The draft is linked in the line above, there is no need to paste the entire thing here.
 * The draft has been rejected because the subject is not notable. Rejection is meant to be final, to convey that the topic has no hope of being accepted for publication. Consequently, volunteers do not intend to review it again. You may wish to consider alternative outlets, with different inclusion criteria, for your writing. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

15:16:49, 22 May 2020 review of submission by KRISTIN KRAFT
The draft was denied because the American Wine Society has not appeared in significant publications, yet it has at least as many media mentions as the Wine & Spirits Education Trust, which has an existing page. Can you please tell me the difference?KcaslerAWS (talk) 15:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC) KcaslerAWS (talk) 15:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia is forever a work in progress. It contains high quality articles and poor quality articles. The existence of articles that do not meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines does not mean they are wanted. It may simply mean that no one has gotten around to deleting them yet. They are not a good excuse to create more such articles. The essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you understand why. If you wish to learn from example articles, be sure to use only Wikipedia's best. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 15:30:22, 22 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Interpersonalization
Hello, I am trying to create an English translation of a Russian wikipedia article, because there is not yet an English one.

Interpersonalization (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Your translation efforts are appreciated, but the draft does not yet show that the organization is notable (suitable for inclusion). Each language version of Wikipedia operates according to its own policies and guidelines, set by the community of editors who contribute there. So an article may satisfy the rules for the Russian Wikipedia, but not the English one, or vice versa. More information about what is needed is on the draft, in the decline message and the reviewer's comment.


 * Also, if the draft has been translated from the Russian Wikipedia, you must credit the source text (otherwise it's a copyright violation). See Translating from other language Wikimedia projects for more information. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

19:24:31, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Priyankasharmaas
please tell what about change my article please help i don't understand what i do for my article Priyankasharmaas (talk) 19:24, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, your draft was rejected, meaning it will not be considered further as it has little to no chance of being able to be improved sufficiently to meet Wikipedia standards. You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia in that it is not a place to merely tell about someone; it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable person).  Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

19:54:47, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Vessnex
Vessnex (talk) 19:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning it will not be considered further. You offered no independent reliable sources with significant coverage to indicate why the person you wrote about meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

20:52:38, 22 May 2020 review of submission by Haiqar888
Haiqar888 (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

i want to delete my draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haiqar888 (talk • contribs)

22:49:27, 22 May 2020 review of draft by Mel Lichtenheld
1-I couldn't give the article a page title for the person, Okhee Lee,in place of my title as the user. How can that be done? 2-I couldn't design the info box to my liking and ended up with four drafts, none of which will do. The person who is the topic of the article is an academic, and the info box needs to reflect that, similar to the info boxes in articles for Angela Duckworth or Helen Quinn.

Mel Lichtenheld (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)