Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 May 23

= May 23 =

Request on 04:04:18, 23 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Roccie
Hi, I published a new article on Dr. Adrian Richard Lewis, but am having some difficulty with sources - there are a lot out their, but many are based on his employment and/or articles, documentaries, books of his own. What are the best sources to remain neutral.

Roccie (talk) 04:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia does not commonly list a historian's less-than-book-length works, only their books, so I recommend removing the entire "Essays Published:" section. To demonstrate a professor's notability, the best sources are reviews, published in peer-reviewed academic journals, of their books. Two to get you started are and . The best places to find reviews are JSTOR, and various databases published by EBSCO and ProQuest. They may offer some degree of access to the general public, but for more, and for subject-specific databases that may be useful, use a library. Ones at major research universities will offer the most access, but large public libraries or WP:TWL may work well enough. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

07:00:39, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Vessnex
Hi I'm requesting review for this biography to help people know more and share more about Dr. Khant Kywe Soe. He's a well known person on social media, not only for his medical knowledge but also for his articles which are very knowledgealble and positive leading for people. By creating this biographic page, people can reach more about him, and contribute his articles which can lead to the mental and behavioral improving and happiness. Thanks Vessnex (talk) 07:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft was rejected, not just declined, meaning that there is little to no chance it can be improved sufficiently to meet Wikipedia standards. Wikipedia is not just for telling about someone or promotional purposes like "help people know more and share more" about him.  This is an encyclopedia, where articles about people must summarize what professionally published academic or journalistic independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Blogs and Facebook are not considered reliable sources.  Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk)`

07:16:39, 23 May 2020 review of draft by Preetikasingh
I want to add this line ( Lakhahi Estate ) infront of Draft name Lakhahi Raj. Means to say like this: Lakhahi Raj (Lakhahi Estate)

Preetikasingh (talk) 07:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't need to worry about the title of the draft, the reviewer that accepts your draft will handle that. Unless there are other articles titled Lakhani Raj you don't need a disambiguation in the title. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

08:24:51, 23 May 2020 review of submission by ToLoveAgain
ToLoveAgain (talk) 08:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

08:57:50, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Crickbadger
I am requesting a re-review for two reasons. Firstly with respect to notability, this is a recognised competition commemorating one of the most recognised cricketers of our time that has been going for some 20 years, involving the highest standard of school cricket. The standard of the game,the institutions involved, its sustainability and the number of representative cricketers who have played in it contribute to it’d notability. There are many more references that could be included from the institutions that participate in the competition, but to include those would be repetitive.

The reference to a COI is very confusing and incorrect. There is no ‘interest’ either for the Cowdrey Cup of Cambridge University Cricket Club in this article that creates any conflict. The relationship between the Cowdrey Cup XI matches and both Oxford and Cambridge University Crickets Clubs is a matter of fact that is documented in the references provided.

Crickbadger (talk) 08:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft was rejected, not just declined, meaning it will not be considered further as there is little to no chance it will meet Wikipedia standards. You do not offer independent reliable sources with significant coverage showing how it meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable event.  A COI is not just about actual conflict, but a perceived conflict.  If you have any association with this tournament at all or the organization that puts it on, you need to comply with WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

09:43:20, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Thakur Abishek singh chauhan
Thakur Abishek singh chauhan (talk) 09:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but a broken infobox will never be accepted as an article. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, see the autobiography policy. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

11:47:00, 23 May 2020 review of submission by RichardMcKee
Hi, sorry if I sound inexperienced as I am. I just submitted my first Wiki page, and as you can see, it got declined. I'm not sure what the notice means by "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies)." Could you explain? Sincerely, Leii

RichardMcKee (talk) 11:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The notice means that your draft was (in the opinion of the reviewer) lacking such sources. Please review what reliable sources are and read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 13:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

14:19:00, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Grandthinker
What is the process we should follow when someone's draft is rejected, and then they move it to articlespace themselves? Please see the history for Teatro Sá da Bandeira. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't see where it was ever rejected. The page was created in article space, then draftified by new page patroller Crystallizedcarbon as "does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published". The author added references and moved it back to article space. WP:DRAFTIFY says that if any editor, including the author, objects to the draftification, the draftifying editor should move it back to article space. So it was reasonable for the author to move it back to article space, and that behaviour is not itself a reason for us to do anything.


 * Theroadislong moved it back to draft space, which was unwise. If anyone believes the topic is not notable, they should take it to AfD, not return it to draft. If the page is not so bad that it should be deleted, but is deficient in some lesser way, an editor could remove unreliable sources, remove content for which no source has been identified, affix cleanup tags, or improve it themselves. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:27, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My apologies I won't do that again, but thought it kinder than sending it to AFD. Theroadislong (talk) 13:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My apologies as well - I didn't look carefully enough to notice that Crystallizedcarbon only made a comment and did not actually reject the draft. GoingBatty (talk) 15:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

14:44:27, 23 May 2020 review of submission by 45.124.12.106
45.124.12.106 (talk) 14:44, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft has been rejected, meaning it will not be considered further as there is little to no chance it can be improved enough to meet Wikipedia standards. 331dot (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

15:35:32, 23 May 2020 review of draft by Fas et nefas
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I just had my first wiki article submission rejected for "not adequately supported by reliable sources". It's a short article about an academic philosophy journal and I think I have given sufficient sources. I have followed the template of this already published article about an academic journal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erkenntnis and given sources where necessary. Any advice on what exactly to change or how to make the sources more reliable (I link to the homepage of the journal and the institutional page of its editor-in-chief as the only external sources)?

Fas et nefas (talk) 15:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * {{u|Fas et nefas}}, I've approved the article. Sulfurboy (talk) 21:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

17:43:02, 23 May 2020 review of draft by Monurawal17
Monurawal17 (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I have Linked (Delhi)Indian Government website with Reference of subject

I got a message of decline due to independent relaible sources with inline citation not available WP:CIRCULAR

please help to resolve what should i do?

17:46:01, 23 May 2020 review of draft by Eastmeer
Hello. I am trying to create a page for Dezron Douglas -- a page exists in German Wikipedia already here. First, is there a way to merge/translate it into Wiki in English? Second, if not, I'd like to create a page for him and have submitted a draft that was denied within hours, here. I've added references as requested. Is there anything that I can do to either have this page approved OR have the German one exist in English (then I can update it)?

Thank you so much for your kind attention. I'm new to this!

Eastmeer (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . If you are trying to create a page "for" Douglas, in other words at his behest, or that of his band, record label, publicist, etc., then you have a conflict of interest that you need to disclose. A biographical article in Wikipedia is about a person, not for them. They don't own it. They can ask for libellous material to be removed, but otherwise have almost no control over it. It may omit things they wish it included and contain material they wish it didn't.


 * You could ask for translation help as described at Translation, but you already have a draft, so seem to have moved past the point of translation. The fact that a German article exists doesn't smooth the way for an English one. For one thing, existence doesn't prove that an article meets Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. It could mean only that no one has gotten around to deleting it yet. Also, each language version of Wikipedia operates according to its own policies and guidelines, set by the community of editors who contribute there. So an article might be acceptable on the German Wikipedia but not on the English one, or vice versa.


 * Wikipedia, being user-generated, is not a reliable source, and citing it is circular. Remove that citation, or it will torpedo the draft. Of the draft's other sources, The New York Times piece is the best, although a bit short. The Jazz Times piece is borderline. Although not written in an interview format, a large part of it comes from what Douglas said, so it isn't entirely independent. "What's On" announcements like the Hartford Courant and other trivial coverage such as NPR and Downbeat don't help demonstrate notability. Also, two of them describe him as "rising", which is usually synonymous with "not notable" yet. While you wait for the draft to be reviewed, do your best to find better sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 12:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

19:24:50, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Ko San Lwin
Ko San Lwin (talk) 19:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

19:26:30, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Ko San Lwin
Ko San Lwin (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC) May I know why my draft is rejected. I have cited articles from reliable sources. Ko San Lwin (talk) 19:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The content included promotional puffery such as "Bella product becomes popular among local customers within the very short term, 6 months because the products are high quality and the prices are very reasonable. Some of Bella product starts from 1.3 USD (2000MMK) and the extent to more than 66USD (100,000MMK). Even the housewife working housework is using the Bella products because the beauty products become essential for every ladies, nowadays" which is totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. Theroadislong (talk) 19:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

19:59:24, 23 May 2020 review of submission by Sahilfromlsa
Sahilfromlsa (talk) 19:59, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your submission includes zero reliable sources and as such doesn't indicate the notability of that person. Since that person appears to be living, the WP:BLP rules apply in addition. I will add code to allow you tu submit now, howewer, please do not submit before you have addressed the isssiues. You may also want to read WP:YFA WP:42 for advice. Update after seeing the page history: The submission has already been rejected by . If you have sources that show that this subject indeed passes WP:NPERSON or a different notability guideline, please paste them here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)