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= May 31 =

05:28:26, 31 May 2020 review of submission by ChrisParker92
Can someone please take a closer look at Draft:Mark Liu? It was recently rejected for not having significant coverage but there are quite a few sources that show significant coverage of Liu, not just passing mentions. Here are a few examples which include the world's largest financial newspaper and Taiwan's Central News Agency.


 * https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/TSMC-s-new-leadership-A-picture-in-contrasts
 * https://www.cna.com.tw/news/firstnews/201710020386.aspx

Here is more significant coverage:
 * https://www.businesstoday.com.tw/article/category/80394/post/200905140004/%E5%89%B5%E9%80%A0%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%89%E5%8D%83%E5%84%84%E7%87%9F%E6%94%B6%E7%9A%84%E5%85%A9%E5%A4%A7%E6%88%B0%E5%B0%87
 * https://www.businesstoday.com.tw/article/category/80392/post/201710240002/%E9%80%8F%E8%A6%96%E5%8F%B0%E7%A9%8D%E9%9B%BB%E7%9A%84%E7%B9%BC%E6%89%BF%E8%80%85%E5%80%91
 * https://www.businesstoday.com.tw/article/category/80394/post/201312120012/%E5%8A%89%E5%BE%B7%E9%9F%B3%E3%80%81%E9%AD%8F%E5%93%B2%E5%AE%B6%20%E8%83%BD%E8%AE%93%E5%8F%B0%E7%A9%8D%E9%9B%BB%E5%86%8D%E8%BC%95%E8%88%9E%EF%BC%9F

From what I see from the time stamps, the article was turned down four minutes after it was put up. Could that really be enough time for an editor to carefully review the sources, particularly when many of them are foreign language sources? I would appreciate another look. Thanks! ChrisParker92 (talk) 05:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

ChrisParker92 (talk) 05:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks like my question may have slipped through the cracks. Can someone take a look at the draft please? ChrisParker92 (talk) 08:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

06:32:17, 31 May 2020 review of submission by 24.229.146.136
24.229.146.136 (talk) 06:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further as there is little to no chance it can be sufficiently improved to meet standards. It appears that the person you wrote about does not meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. You also do not offer independent reliable sources to support the content of the article; the article should only summarize what such sources state. Social media accounts are not independent reliable sources. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 06:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

06:59:09, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Sachinlathiya007
Sachinlathiya007 (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * your only source so far is . Wikipedia requires at least three reliable independent sources for notability as defined by Wikipedia. I don't have an opinion on wether postnewsgroup.com is reliable, but the last reviewers, seem to concour that it is not. Note that the two references appear to be the same. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

07:39:05, 31 May 2020 review of draft by Pretoriandlz
I submitted Draft:Ernest_Pierce for AfC. It was declined on the grounds that it has no inline citations for the Early Life and Education section. I have since removed it and resubmitted for review. My question here is that the information provided therein was pulled from the actor's IMDB profile: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2720736/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Could someone elaborate if would be acceptable to cite IMDB Profile when the following non-contentious information is cited:

"Pierce was born in Chicago, Illinois, the son of Ernest Pierce Sr and Michelle Williamson.

Ernest began his career in off-Broadway and theatrical and musicals in New York and Chicago. He landed the role of Tyrone in FAME the Musical in College with the Illini Union Board Spring Musical, followed up with West Side Story. Prior to moving to Film/TV, he performed in Broadway productions such as the Son of a Preacher Man, Something’s Afoot, Death of a Salesman, The Piano Lesson and a host of others."

Thank you! Pretoriandlz (talk) 07:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Pretoriandlz (talk) 07:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , IMDB is not a reliable source as it uses user-generated content. As such, it should very rarely be used. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

07:41:57, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Andrej Shadura
I was told my submission has tone issues. Apparently the fact I wrote this submission prevents me from seeing them, but I paid attention to using neutral tone as much as possible. How can I improve on that?

I would also like to point out my original thought was to expand the article on Vuze to include the information on BiglyBT since in the situation when the original project is more or less dead, and continues under a new brand, it seemed like a better fit to me, but my initial addition of a paragraph on that has been reverted as an attempt to spam and I was told that not until an article on that is written and accepted, it can be re-added. I’m honestly a bit afraid of touching that article again (I did add a paragraph on the original project being dead and to be fair I expected it to be reverted just because I added it.)

I have no conflict of interest whatsoever in this case, this is not part of any promotion campaign, and to be honest it hurts quite a bit to be seen as a spammer after editing Wikipedia for many years and having proven track record of never spreading spam or being involved in any similar activity.

Andrej Shadura (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

07:49:30, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Anujjaju
Khushi Maheshwari is a famous social media personality from India having 5M+ followers. When People search for her name, they should have proper information about her. Like other social media personalities eg. Garima Chaurasiya, Priya Prakash Warrior this page has full potential to be added to Wikipedia. Why it is being rejected? Anujjaju (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears that this person does not meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not for merely telling about someone, and has no interest in enhancing search results for a subject.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a subject, showing how they meet the Wikipedia definition of notability.  Your draft had no sources at all.  Please read Your First Article for more information.  It does not matter if a person has five followers, or five million, or fifty million, they must be written about in independent sources to merit a Wikipedia article.  Subscriber/follower numbers are easily gamed(a person can create more than one account to "like" someone) so that is not an indicator of notability. 331dot (talk) 08:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

07:52:46, 31 May 2020 review of submission by 71.104.11.211
71.104.11.211 (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

08:32:55, 31 May 2020 review of draft by Indy beetle
I'm trying to review the above draft (which would be my first). I've followed all the steps laid out at WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script, and yet I am unable to launch the script. I'm not seeing a "More" collapsible tab under which to find the script and run it. -Indy beetle (talk) 08:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Indy beetle (talk) 08:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Which skin are you using? Only vector (the default skin since 2013) has a "More" dropdown, for other skins the links to activate the AFC helper script are elsewhere. If that doesn't help, please check your browser console. All modern browsers (but not nessesarely the mobile versions thereof) have a feature called Console or similar. Look for things that are in red. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

11:41:20, 31 May 2020 review of draft by BoldLuis
BoldLuis (talk) 11:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

12:08:22, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Pn1919
We are trying to get Tom Bertram's encylopedic article on Wikipedia, but seem to keep running into issues. Please can you recommend resolutions to have an article approved.

Pn1919 (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts are strictly for single person use. If you are being paid to edit this you need to declare this. Interviews, Wikipedia, Blogs, YouTube and Twitter are not suitable sources, so the draft does not shown that he is notable. Theroadislong (talk) 12:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

12:18:36, 31 May 2020 review of submission by EmanuelB2019
Hello, moderators and contributors to Wikipedia! I respectfully ask for the help of this world elite community to publish the page of the American writer of Romanian origin "Carmen Harra" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Carmen_Harra, whose books (6 books) are found in the Library of the American Congress. I published on the page the link that proves the existence of the books in the Library of Congress, at the request of the moderators to justify the creation of this page. In addition, I provided links to the page showing the writer's appearances in the Central American press, in newspapers such as the New York Post, and on television stations such as NBC New York and CBS Los Angeles. It is equally easy to verify that the writer Carmen Harra was a well-known singer in Europe in the 70s and 80s and that she currently has her own radio show at the American station OMTimes Radio. I have browsed many pages published by Wikipedia in recent years, about all kinds of people who have performed in their fields of activity and who deserve to be included in an index of the most important online encyclopedia. And I noticed that this writer, who is on the same level as other public figures on Wikipedia, does not have the page. Six months ago, I started working on this page, an absolutely new experience for me. I received valuable guidance from MurielMary and Sulfurboy on what a Wikipedia page should look like and I would like to thank them on this occasion for their help. I sent the page for moderation, and the other day, 1292simon rejected it because of the reason "promotional article". I requested arguments for this opinion, especially since other moderators appreciated that the page is written in a neutral style, specific to Wikipedia. Please help me to correct the errors on this page so that it can be published. There are many similar pages already published about the Romanian beautician Anastasia Soare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Soare, about the Romanian singer Andreea Balan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_Bălan, about the TV presenter Andreea Esca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreea_Esca and about the writer Colette Baron-Reid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colette_Baron-Reid. Wikipedia also indexes many people who have "stood out" publicly by committing abominable deeds or as mere politicians. All this information is normal to appear in an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia, like Wikipedia, groups information from absolutely all fields of activity. And since no one is a specialist in all areas and no one is all-knowing, it is normal to find out with Wikipedia about people we have never heard of, even though these people have been around for years and have performed in their fields. Even though we are all human and are often subjective, it is normal to recognize the professional merits of others. I call on the fairplay of the Wikipedia community to apply the same rules to all published pages. The "Carmen Harra" page reached its present form after six months of editing together with the moderators who gave their precious time to help the correct and verified presentation of the information. Please offer your contribution objectively and support me in this endeavor which is done from my exclusive position as a reader of books written by Carmen Harra. Thank you and I look forward to your feedback! EmanuelB2019 (talk) 12:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

12:53:01, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Triantares
Dear reviewers, I'm sorry but I'm at a loss now. You mention there are still WP:PROMO issues there which I don't see at all...nor any WP:COI as I am not in anyway affiliated with said distribution other than being an avid user and having volunteered to edit and re-submit the English WP entry which had been deleted for some reason a while back. If anything the only thing that can be done (in the sense of less WP:PROMO) now IMO is delete the whole entry, which would be kind of silly considering that the Elive Linux distribution has been around for at least 15 years and certainly should be mentioned and linked as such together with other distributions. Looking and comparing with other WP entries concerning (especially commercial) Linux distributions: They might as well all be removed with even more promotional issues and COIs than the current Elive submission IMO. Notably EliveLinux is the only distribution that does not have an internal link here and hereList_of_Linux_distributions and there's definitely more.

I do agree that the links in the article might be a little overdone, in the sense that they're too many and distracting. To some degree that was due to a first review pointing out too few reliable 3rd party references.

It would be greatly helpful if the issues could be clearly pointed out as, like I stated I do not see them and certainly do not want to keep making the same mistakes in other entries or articles. Thanks in advance, any guidance will be greatly appreciated.

Triantares (talk) 12:53, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

14:09:51, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Marcywinograd
Marcywinograd (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC) -- Hi, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and wondering about redirects. I noticed that articles that have a lot of page views (many thousands) are redirects from topics that do not have a Wikipedia page. If I want to redirect from an unpublished Wikipedia topic (decarceration) similar to my Wikipedia entry (Decarceration in the United States), do I need to 1) Create a new page for Decarceration 2) Go to page settings and redirect that page to my page: Decarceration in the United States 3)Submit that redirection/page for approval, as though I am submitting a real article that an administrator will have to approve? Thanks for any guidance you can offer. Warm regards, MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * as far as I can see you are WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, so you can yust go on and create the redirect page. You don't need an approval. You can find the policy regarding redirects at Redirect. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Victor, for your prompt reply. I did read the Redirect page and tried to figure it out, but am confused as to how to redirect from an unpublished topic, like "prison inmate reduction" to "decarceration in the United States" which is published. As an autoconfirmed user, what do I do? Thank you for your patience. Best wishes, MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 17:35:11, 31 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Yellowmajestymusic
Dear Wikipedia,

I need help with publishing an article 'Yellow Majesty'. The article describes my music project and I don't know how to fullfil all the requirements needed in order to get the article published. Any further (explicit) assistance would thus be highly appreciated!

Thank you in beforehand.

Amir Yellowmajestymusic (talk) 17:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft has zero sources, writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged and you would need to pass the criteria at WP:NMUSICIAN first. Theroadislong (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

18:40:56, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Mye
I am preparing an article about a Ukrainian processing company existing since 1995. Previously, only the Ukrainian version of the page existed. But now we are working with foreign clients, and it would be more correct to have information in different languages

Tanks usb31 18:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * pending paid editing disclosure, see User talk:Mye. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

23:21:59, 31 May 2020 review of submission by Jschwam
The article was declined because of lack of sport notability criteria, but did not specify which line was problematic, and what kind of source would be more accurate and be able to pass the criteria. Please advise. Thank you! Jschwam (talk) 23:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If Wikipedians are talking about notability, its usally not a specific line of the draft or article, but rather the sources used. in this case, stated on Draft:Michael Kraus (lacrosse) that WP:NSPORTS isn't met (click the blue link to find out the criteria). I am not an expert at sportlers notability, and, as such, don't have an opinion on the notability, but it would help if you indicated which of the notability guidelines you used. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Jschwam User:Victor Schmidt - The issue isn't what line is problematic or an issue with any particular source. For sports notability, there is a long list of notability criteria, one for which sport, but there isn't a criterion for field lacrosse.  So to accept a field lacrosse player, they must either satisfy general notability, or one of the criteria in the sports notability list must apply.  I didn't see a criterion that applies.  So the issue isn't what was wrong with the submission, but what wasn't right with the submission.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My advice about field lacrosse would be that lacrosse fans can form a task force to add a special notability criterion for lacrosse players. I don't have any other advice.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In summary, it isn't what was wrong; it was what wasn't right. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)