Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 May 5

= May 5 =

00:01:07, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Cdg1072
Dear editor,

Concerning this article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_contradiction_of_Poetics_chapters_13_and_14

only one editor (out of several) was supportive of the article I submitted, and he suggested what changes he thought would make it sound more objective and free of any synthesizing or opinion that was my own. I incorporated his changes and resubmitted (it had already seen a few previous submissions). But since that one editor, the last two have both tersely stated that the article seems "non-neutral in tone." It has at this point received a "stop" notice, presumably indicating that more advice should be sought before resubmitting, or do not submit again at all.

My article does not, in fact, contain my opinions or original research, and it is neutral. It only contains the opinions of people who are experts on the topic, which is appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles contain many opinions, but never strictly the opinions of the individuals writing articles. Every opinion mentioned in Wikipedia is mentioned as a fact, the fact that someone holds that particular view of the topic. In other words, many topics covered in Wikipedia lack a single consensus view of the issue, whatever the subject is. Some topics do enjoy a consensus, of course, and perhaps those are easier to report on. But some topics are still under debate, so that multiple views and positions have to be mentioned. This is not against the rules of Wikipedia, on the contrary, many of its articles exhibit this feature.

If the editors are right, then, there must be some expressions in the article or long-winded passages that make it look like it is a new opinion, of the person submitting the article. But that is a distorted view of the article. So to solve the problem, it is necessary to either decide (1) that the topic is too esoteric and obscure for Wikipedia, or not important enough to be found in an encyclopedia. Or (2) Wikipedia editors should try again to state what specific things in the article actually make it look like original research (which it is not). What are those things, so that they can be changed? I personally cannot see anything in the article that strongly gives this impression. It all looks objective and neutral to me.Cdg1072 (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Cdg1072 (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , The article has been rejected which means it will not be considered further. Creating a new article is one of the most difficult tasks on wikipedia. I would recommend working on existing articles first to get a better idea of the tone and structure we look for in an article. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I've never been interested in creating a wikipedia article, per se. I have 1000 edits on Wikipedia articles, a few of which are not minor. That experience, while not extensive, has nothing to do with the change of fortune paradox. I only created the article because it is a very notable topic that's 500 years old. I have no idea what you mean, by talking about this article being different from other Wikipeida articles on similar subjects. You suggest looking at other articles in Wikipedia? Well, I've been reading them for 20 years. I could look at other articles, like the one on Theories of Humor, or Theory of Descriptions, forever and not see a difference. It's exactly the same. The tone and structure is exactly the same, and if you could show otherwise, you would. But you can't, and I don't care -- thanks.Cdg1072 (talk) 00:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

02:59:07, 5 May 2020 review of draft by Whisperjanes
Is there a way to withdraw an AfC submission that I submitted? Although I think the subject is notable, I don't think it's obvious from the article at the moment and the article as a whole could use more work. I don't want to have a reviewer put in time reviewing it right now and I rather not have it rejected at the moment, since I think it would be good to work on it longer in draftspace.

Also, additional question: If I want to leave a comment on the draft for future reviewers, is there any specific way I should do it? Thank you!

Whisperjanes (talk) 02:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , ✅ If you want to post a comment, I would just continue to do what you've done previously in the comment that you left. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 05:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sulfurboy! I wasn't sure if I had to use the comment template that reviewers use or not, so good to know. - Whisperjanes (talk) 05:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

05:25:30, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Qaasid
The reasons to why my contribution was rejected are vague to me. My request is, as I am new to this and as perhaps this may be my only contribution for a while, that someone either post this for me or explain specifically and explicitly what is still required. If someone can help, that would be awesome; I can provide authentic sources and references and help in any way possible, but I'm just not tech savvy enough to continue. And I find it extraordinary that it hasn't been covered already. I look forward to hearing back from you! Regards

QA (talk) 05:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , The article you linked to hasn't been submitted, much less reviewed. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

06:53:46, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Cabotweeps
I'm asking for re-review, this draft article was got deleted in the first and second attempt to publish it, for the reason of sock puppetry. How can we appeal when we already blocked and don't know where to ask assistance or advice what to do. I thought you don't bite newcomers? Why the article is always getting deleted by the same wiki admin? I hope someone can help me on this matter. Thank you and take care.

Cabotweeps (talk) 06:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Please note that user Cabotweeps has been blocked as a sock of . GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 07:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

07:12:51, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Joxley Lee
Joxley Lee (talk) 07:12, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm afraid that this subject is not notable. He might be notable someday, but it appears to be too soon for this particular person. Also, if you know this person/are this person you should probably not be writing the article, as that represents a conflict of interest. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

07:31:33, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Gedgmoss
I had feedback on the draft above for Tone, referred to the Wiki guidelines but still require more specific guidance. Gedgmoss (talk) 07:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)GedGedgmoss (talk) 07:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Gedgmoss (talk) 07:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

07:40:10, 5 May 2020 review of draft by Glittershield
Hi, I am looking for help in getting the promotional content on my page removed, this page was speedy deleted for promotional content and then was recovered as I am unsure as to what the promotional content is on my page kindly request editors to help me with the page to make it neutral. Any help or suggestions will be helpfulGlittershield (talk) 07:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Glittershield (talk) 07:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . One view would be that the sentences "In April 2020 this company partnered with Impactguru.com and raised funds to provide meals to the families affected by Covid 19 lockdown in Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Noida and Chennai" and "The company has raised venture capital about $526 million from companies like [long list omitted]", and phrases such as "they started BB Daily to supply milk to the public", and "for the public to order fresh fruits and vegetables and other FMCG(fast-moving consumer goods)" are promotional.


 * Another way of looking at it is that all of the content is promotional. The mere existence of an article can be promotional if the article shouldn't exist. Allowing an article about Bigbasket would imply that it belongs in an encyclopeia, the way the State Bank of India and BP do, when Bigbasket is nothing like those examples - it is not notable (not suitable for inclusion).


 * The other articles you've created in your first few months here, Ridaex Technology and Colive are being discussed at Articles for Deletion. This suggests you haven't yet grasped just how difficult it is to create new articles, especially about companies that are still in business. Revisit the topic in 3-5 years. By then, the company may have gone public, and enough may have been written about it to make it notable. That will also give you time to gain experience editing existing articles, experience that you will find valuable when starting new ones. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:35, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

08:39:12, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Itachisama20
Hi, this is my first draft, and i am still trying to learn my ways around Wikipedia. it would be awesome if you can share some tips for me :) I see you have written that the profile is not notable but he has famous Hollywood clients and has been invited to Oscars and such. Please help me out as to what constitutes as notable.

regards, Itachisama Itachisama20 (talk) 08:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited by association with notable people or notable events. The person must be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. The sources you have do not meet that standard. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

08:56:00, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Sarbsinghdhammu
Sarbsinghdhammu (talk) 08:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Why my artical is rejected.
 * It was rejected because you have not been shown to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not social media for people to tell the world about themselves; this is an encyclopedia, where articles must show how the subject is notable, as described with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. In addition, writing about one's self is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 09:13:19, 5 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Ayushw143
Aayush Wanjari is an Indian Public Figure and personality from Amravati, Maharashtra, India. He is known for his instagram name, ayushw143.

Early life and education
Aayushis a Maharastrian, born on 21 September 2003 in Amravati, Maharashtra to Sunil and Archana Wanjari.

Finally, make sure to click the "Publish changes" button below or your request will be lost!-->}}

13:15:03, 5 May 2020 review of submission by David Selves
I have read the guidance for submission and completely understand the initial rejection points. I have since added far more notable aspects to David Selves'life, including as Deputy Chairman to The London Press Club, which is notably one of the oldest press clubs in the world and one of the very few still in existence. I have added references to everything possible and have made it encyclopaedic and straight facts. The article is certainly meant as a history of his life to-date. Are you able to either review the contact and hopefully publish or offer some advice so that I may amend accordingly.

Thank you for your help.

David Selves (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 14:41:37, 5 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by LilyRCSRF
Hello,

I hope that you are keeping safe and well. I am writing to ask for help with the publication of a Wikipedia page about our charity - The Civil Service Retirement Fellowship (The CSRF), that is a registered UK charity that has been running since 1965. I have been given the feedback that the one I have submitted is 'basically a promotional press release' and that this is the reason it has been rejected. I know that other charities have Wikipedia pages too, so I was wondering if I could ask what can I do to ensure that our charity can have a Wikipedia page? I would very much appreciate your help with this as it would be wonderful to make this happen as we have been trying to get one published since January and Wikipedia is such a great platform. We do have a lot of history and information that I hoped we could share through the article I submitted. However, if including that history makes the page too promotional, I completely understand, and a basic description page about who we are and what we do would be great! Some of our vice presidents and board directors even have existing Wikipedia pages that we could link to?

Thank you so much in advance for any help that you can provide - I really appreciate it and the comments so far.

Stay safe and well. My kindest regards and very best wishes, Lily

LilyRCSRF (talk) 14:41, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 14:48:53, 5 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by David Selves
The latest submission has been declined as it feels that I am writing this about David Selves, as himself. However, I am writing this about David Selves from a third person aspect. This is based on my knowledge of David Selves and is in no way intended as a sales publication, just as an encyclopaedic reference to his life. Are you able to give any further advice in order to progress this further? Thanks.

David Selves (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you say you are not David Selves, but the account is named "David Selves", this account has been blocked as an impersonation of the real David Selves. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  20:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

14:52:24, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Rhodewarrick471
I wanted to add alot ore refrences to my page but i struggled a great deal. It was all to confusing.

Rhodewarrick471 (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I assume this refers to Draft:Henry Van Breda. If you're struggling with adding references, please see our guide to referencing. If you have another issue, you'll have to clarify further. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

15:10:14, 5 May 2020 review of draft by Gabylandaeta
The information included in the article submitted for revision comes directly from the Miami Symphony Orchestra Biography and records. Can you explain further why was the draft declined? Thank you, Gabylandaeta (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have tagged it for speedy deletion as most of the content has been copied and pasted from https://www.berliner-symphoniker.de/eduardo-marturet/ you have to write content in your own words and we have no interest in what the orchestra's records say, we only report on what independent reliable sources have said about them. Theroadislong (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

15:55:19, 5 May 2020 review of submission by MedialadyCLA
I asked how to upload a photo and got a response; I've since uploaded the image and tried to insert its link into the page I created (John Lapinski). It's only appearing as a link, though, and not an image. Is this because it's on some kind of hold, or did I do something wrong? New to Wikipedia. MedialadyCLA (talk) 15:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . In this edit the format for the image display was fixed by another editor. Note that one does not use a full URL, only the page name. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:06, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 16:16:12, 5 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by NewProfiles
Why my article is rejected..?

NewProfiles (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It was deleted- not just rejected- because it was blatantly promotional. Wikipedia articles are not for merely telling about someone.  They must show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources how the subject meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Please read my last post to you. 331dot (talk) 16:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 16:28:07, 5 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Manirajg
I wish to update the people about myself. I've just put some references for your kind persual. I've addded my Facebook and LinkedIn profiles.

Manirajg (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not for writing about yourself. Please review the autobiography policy.  Wikipedia is only interested in what others say about you, in independent reliable sources.  If you just want to tell the world about yourself, please use social media. 331dot (talk) 16:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

22:25:38, 5 May 2020 review of submission by Doogierev
Doogierev (talk) 22:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Please could you clarify why this article has been declined. Numerous changes have been made, despite the suggestion that no further changes have been made. Moreover, the article is well sourced and the subject is clearly of public interest given the extent of coverage elsewhere. Would be great to know what further changes can be made to improve the article, including the addition of any further sources or content.