Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 November 3

= November 3 =

01:46:13, 3 November 2020 review of submission by Kevinmage1212
Kevinmage1212 (talk) 01:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You didn't ask a question, but the last review said: "This is your third attempt to submit the draft, and yet, there's no evidence you're able to find independent references" and most of the references in the article are to janettaylorperry.com, so maybe take the hint that this isn't a sufficient reference and either find independent references, or bow out on the article. See WP:GNG. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

02:04:39, 3 November 2020 review of draft by Excel23
Need an opinion on this article and need to have it reviewed to be accepted. I think I made the final changes needed to have it accepted into Wikipedia. Excel23 (talk) 02:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , It is pending review. Please wait. Snowycats (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

05:11:15, 3 November 2020 review of submission by Ananya2212
Draft:Gaya Prasad Mehrotra I had recently published a draft, it got declines and the reason that was given to me was that you need to work first on having more than one source (whether online or offline) and then on making the article neutral. I want to know exactly how I can change my draft to make it acceptable according to Wikipedia guidelines. I have written about my late great grandfather, so I know the facts and I have given sources for the sites where I have gotten the post held by him. My article has a similar format to another article about a politician that was recently posted - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivanand_Tiwari

Ananya2212 (talk) 05:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

10:03:43, 3 November 2020 review of submission by Trotwood78
Hi, i've just translated the italian wikipedia page Citterio: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citterio.

I think that if it was ok for Wikipedia Italia, it can be ok also for Wikipedia English

Trotwood78 (talk) 10:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am afraid your logic is mistaken. Since Every Wikipedia is a seperate project with seperate rules, the existence of an article in one Wikipedia cannot be cited as an argument for the existence or non-existence in other Wikipedias. see other stuff exists. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

10:29:32, 3 November 2020 review of draft by Balan Raj
My draft is rejected with comment of no notable referencing. I would like to know if Wikipedia and Malaysian book of records webpage is not taken as notable referencing? Thanks. Balan Raj (talk) 10:29, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, Wikipedia and Youtube are not regarded as a reliable source, see WP:UGC and WP:CIRCULAR (for the former). Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Balan Raj, just to clarify, YouTube can be used in referencing if the YouTube Channel is verified and if the channel is linked to a major mainstream source. For instance, BBC News is a reputable news outlet, so we could use a verified BBC News YouTube channel. But generally speaking, most YouTube videos are user-created, and in many cases, they are copyright violations, which we don't want to promote. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

11:28:10, 3 November 2020 review of draft by 197.48.243.18
Can I add @Draft:Ali Mansour (Actor) in wikipedia?

197.48.243.18 (talk) 11:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft has been submitted and is pending review. 331dot (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

12:26:58, 3 November 2020 review of draft by AD202020
AD202020 (talk) 12:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC) I am really sorry I do not understand what I need to do to correct this?

Diana's co-mentor on the BBC painting challenge Pascal Anson's page has been published and his links no longer work, I am perplexed at what the problem is?
 * Please see other stuff exists. Other similar articles existing does not automatically mean yours can too.  Each article or draft is judged on its own merits.  It could be that the other article is problematic too, or has unique circumstances that merit that person an article.
 * In this case, please review the comments left by reviewers on the draft. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Request on 13:26:38, 3 November 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Rdmackinnon
Good day, I believe I made the changes I need for the article, can someone review? Added refs for second section and list of notable publications. I have been using this as a guide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Tilley#cite_ref-4 Thank you Rdmackinnon (talk) 13:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , Feel free to submit if you want a review. Snowycats (talk) 16:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

16:25:32, 3 November 2020 review of draft by Shafiqchesspak
Shafiqchesspak (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , You did not ask a question. Snowycats (talk) 16:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Request on 16:26:18, 3 November 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Blakedes2
Sources

Hello, This is the third page i have created and most of the info i got was from My own research and a single source. Im wondering if that can work. I also do need help on my other page, the Trans Pecos Volcanic Field. I have many other pages to write, and do need some tips. Thanks in advance,

Blakedes2

Blakedes2 (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , You don't need to ask here and on my talk page. I will respond to you on my page. Snowycats (talk) 16:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

18:21:48, 3 November 2020 review of submission by Islamgomaa1412
Islamgomaa1412 (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Using Wikipedia to advertise or proselytise is not acceptable, and we will not accept articles with unreferenced biographical claims because we have been burnt on them before. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 19:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

19:59:06, 3 November 2020 review of draft by Serbelloni
thank you, I would like to understand : 1. if I inserted the citations well, as they do not appear at the bottom of the page 2. if I mentioned the key persons well (with the [[ ) and what the rule is 3. how to show the historical place I am writing about on a map

Serbelloni (talk) 19:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've fixed some formatting issues present in the draft. See here. There should only be one reflist template on the page, in the References section. I've removed extraneous ones, and the references now appear at the bottom of the page. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

23:39:52, 3 November 2020 review of draft by DeepSeaMonster
Where in particular are references needed? Could you provide more concrete feedback? DeepSeaMonster (talk) 23:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , It's not where, it's a matter of adding them whatsoever. See WP:RS. Snowycats (talk) 02:20, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * - sorry, but that is not very helpful either. The draft has references, including a report by the Boston Landmarks Commission. Are there any specific statements that you believe should be backed by additional references? DeepSeaMonster (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , "*Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.* This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves."
 * Once again: It's not where, it's a matter of adding them whatsoever. The issue is not WP:MINREF, it is WP:RS. Snowycats (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Once again: It's not where, it's a matter of adding them whatsoever. The issue is not WP:MINREF, it is WP:RS. Snowycats (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * . Let's use common sense here: it is a building -- and a landmark at that. Are there any contentious points about the building's existence? Any particular statements on the draft that should be backed by reputable sources? Its notability? There's one reference to the city landmark commission and another to the architecture firm's page on the project. What exactly is missing from the page? If you want to add references for references' sake, be my guest, otherwise I don't see a valid argument against creating this page. DeepSeaMonster (talk) 04:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A building by itself is not notable. Humans create new structures of varying size every day, and we don't endeavor to create articles about every cozy duplex built in Edwalton, Nottingham. And virtually anything is a "landmark" so long as people passing through know to make a right or left once they get to it, just like any Tesco station. So mere existence is not a justification for an encyclopedia article to exist. Assuming all buildings are created equal, what separates this one from any other? Hopefully it would be that this structure has received in-depth coverage from reliable, independent, published sources with reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. If that can't be established, then it seems like this is just another building like any other in the world, and may not warrant an encyclopedia article to exist in perpetuity. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * So which one is it then - notability or references? both? So far I've been thrown more regulation than actual help or feedback. Not the most welcoming of places. DeepSeaMonster (talk) 05:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NBUILDING Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. Theroadislong (talk) 10:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply - do you have any examples of what is considered significant/sufficient coverage? DeepSeaMonster (talk) 16:26, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * These might be useful?, . Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Great - this is helpful. Thank you! DeepSeaMonster (talk) 17:40, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have revised the draft and added a few more references. DeepSeaMonster (talk) 03:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)