Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2020 September 29

= September 29 =

02:07:56, 29 September 2020 review of submission by Dhlamr
Hi, can i ask why this topic not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. And how do i improve my article for it to be sufficiently notable for inclusion in wikipedia? Which part of it i need to improve more? Thank you! Dhlamr (talk) 02:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It apepars that this topic fails WP:NCORP. Please focus on something else, as no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

08:09:29, 29 September 2020 review of draft by Alterra2007
how to split my article Alterra2007 (talk) 08:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . I believe that Zoozaz1's comment on Draft:List of Cunard line ships is about potentially splitting article Cunard Line so that its fleet section becomes a new article. They provided you with a link to Splitting, which describes the procedure. The draft plays no role in the process, but if the fleet section is split out, you may edit it to be more like your draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 12:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

09:19:55, 29 September 2020 review of submission by Akintunde2020
Because i want to be part of wikipedia communities,i want to contribute to wiki communities please review my article and please can you tell me the reason why my article is not sufficient notable for inclusion in wikipedia Akintunde2020 (talk) 09:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi . The draft doesn't say anything about the person that makes them worthy of notice, remarkable, or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded". moreover, it cites zero sources. It is significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources that demonstrates notability (suitability for inclusion in Wikipedia). --Worldbruce (talk) 11:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

09:20:27, 29 September 2020 review of submission by Gabrielsisu
Gabrielsisu (talk) 09:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Hello Wikipedia team, I am trying to create my Wikipedia page. My draft was declined. Where can I send my significant proof of footballer contracts papers to wiki relating to page of Gabriel Sisu? kind Regards, Gabriel Sisu
 * I think you misunderstand several things here. Subjects do not have "Wikipedia pages"; subjects have Wikipedia articles about them.  There is no place to send proof to, because that's not what we are looking for.  We are looking for article subjects like football players to have significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable football player. In addition, Wikipedia is not a place for people to write about themselves, although not forbidden, it is strongly discouraged, because people naturally write favorably about themselves.  Please read WP:AUTO for more information. I would strongly advise you to allow independent editors to take note of your career in independent sources and choose to write about you.  Please also understand that a Wikipedia article about yourself is not necessarily desirable.  We also have no interest in your internet presence or in enhancing search results for you. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

10:25:10, 29 September 2020 review of submission by KennyParis
Hello, my page of the duo of writers and producers Picard Brothers was declined last month and the comment I has was that the reviewer couldn't see in-depth coverages but I have put many articles especially one that I just added which is a big ITW where they talk about all their achievements. There is another big ITW from very famous magazine Les Inrocks where they also talk with the journalist about all the songs they have written and produced. Because they are writers, most other articles I found talk about the artist and then mention the names of the writers so this is why there aren't that many out there. They have won a Grammy and they have produced the latest Beyoncé single, the last Mark Ronson album, and many songs for Diplo and Major Lazer. There are many websites mentioning their names and I think they deserve to have their own wikipedia page, they participated in many of our recent favorite songs. Please can you help me have their page approve ? Thank you very much

KennyParis (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , We are concerned with reference quality not reference quantity. For a living/people person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Please run your references against this quality stipulation. Any that fail require replacement. If you can't replace them then please assess whether they are required and whether the fact you assert adds value to the draft
 * The enormous tranche of references is interesting, but how useful are they? References such at this are useless to you. Fiddle   Faddle  16:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

10:25:16, 29 September 2020 review of submission by Akintunde2020
why is my article not sufficient for inclusion in wikipedia,have makes some changes in the edit mode,kindly help me out Akintunde2020 (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:HELEN OBIAGELI OSHIKOYA is entirely unsourced and reads like a CV it has been rejected and so will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 10:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

11:19:39, 29 September 2020 review of draft by Linus Godwin korah
I am participating in September BLT to improve articles on black artist. however, a list of artist were given In Wich Kadara Enyeasi was among. after I created the article with same title,  it submission for review into article space was decline due to a similar article created with same name. suggestions were made that the two articles should be merge, well I need help to know if merging the two articles will not cause me a disqualification me from participating in the competition. please. Linus Godwin korah (talk) 11:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am afraid I have no idea about the competition. You will need to take that up with the organisers and ask them the direct question. Fiddle   Faddle  16:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * One of the facilitators is (that took some finding!!!)) who ought to be  able to answer your question  Fiddle   Faddle  16:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , From Wikipedia's point of view, your draft is far more complete than the existing article. It would be very disappointing if the competition ruled against your improving the article, since that would not be favourable to Wikipedia as well as not being favourable to the objectives of the competition
 * I have not reviewed your work for quality. I am speaking generally Fiddle  [[User talk:Timtrent| Faddle ] 16:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot .But I'll need your suggestion please.Linus Godwin korah (talk) 22:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think you would be wise to ask on their talk page. I've got as far as I can.  Fiddle   Faddle  22:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

19:03:32, 29 September 2020 review of draft by HangersmadeinVT
Hi, I entered websites to verify that our business is legit. We are a US manufacturer and an industry leader for plastic clothes hangers. Maybe I am not in the correct template for Wikipedia? I do not intend for the entry to sound like an advertisement, I wanted to provide a site for reference for clothes hanger manufacturer. Any help in correcting this entry would be appreciated. Thank you,

HangersmadeinVT (talk) 19:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Please read WP:PAID. Editors here are volunteers and have an interest in the quality of articles in the encyclopaedia. To do that they help other volunteers, and assume that those receiving money, directly or by reason of their employment, ought to help themselves. Fiddle   Faddle  19:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

19:17:01, 29 September 2020 review of draft by EnnaeV
I revised my article for Wikipedia and I believe I clicked the publish changes but how do I know for sure I resubmitted the article (for it to be reviewed) correctly? Thank you. EnnaeV (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , you had not submitted it. I have done so on your behalf. I have not reviewed it Fiddle   Faddle  19:27, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

20:08:46, 29 September 2020 review of draft by Galacticsoulmusic
Greetings, I drafted an article for submission: Andrew Moon Bain and after waiting many months heard back on 4/16/2020 from "1292simon" that I must edit two things and then resubmit to be published. I made the two changes: 1. Insert Headings, 2. Delete excess info in the Discography, after making these changes and resubmitting, I then waited many more months, when on 7/18/2020, "Velella" again, declined my submission, based of an inaccurate opinion, not acknowledging the previous edits, and not accessing the content. The reason for decline was that there "weren't enough sources, and some where deemed affiliated, therefor the subject may not be noteworthy". This was not included in the first editors feedback, nor is it true. There are 32 sources cited in the draft article, from varied origins, supporting diff subject content. This subject is a Grammy Nominated Producer, Song writer, and a well respected, published and exhibited visual artist and musician. He is very notable and this is certainly well supported in the draft. His art hangs in the RISD Museum and in numerous galleries and private collections and he has a current installation up at Brown University, in Providence, Rhode Island. He also has written and produced for many notable artists, including Snoop Dog, Diplo and Wyclef Jean. Please advice on what to do next. I worked hard on this article and believe it should be published. If there are adjustments, I can happily make them. Best, GalacticSoulMusic

Galacticsoulmusic (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm sorry you have had this experience. Every reviewer must be able, when questioned, to justify their review. That goes with the role we volunteer for.
 * What I see n your draft is an article, that, while imperfect, has a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process. I am about to accept it unless someone gets there first.
 * With regard to references it is quality we seek, not quantity. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make any draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * After acceptance many editors will scrutinise your draft, either sooner or later, with a view to all aspects. What you will find useful is to measure each of your references against that yardstick, and consider which might go or be repurposed. "Lightweight" references ought to go. Fiddle   Faddle  21:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , It is accepted, and also flagged for attention to references and categories. It is entirely your choice to continue to edit it yourself or to leave it to the vagaries of Wikipedia Fiddle   Faddle  21:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Request on 21:46:36, 29 September 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Piersocial
We want to make an unbiased page about Pier59 Studios. We work at Pier59 Studios, however, and we don't want to make it sound like advertising or be spammy. But its a huge pop culture reference, many of us knew of Pier59 Studios before we ever worked here, so we found it funny that it doesn't have a page! We just wanted to get it started, while also contributing to other pages as we have resources (like photos) that we have all legal rights to as they are our own, and we truly feel like they are actual contributions that we would like to share! We are interested in the fashion world and were interested in Pier59 as an entity before we were even hired... we just want help to make the page a reality && to be able to share our resources to other fashion-related wiki pages that are lacking in photos! Apologies again for doing this incorrectly! Any help would be SUPER appreciated! Piersocial (talk) 21:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , You need to read WP:PAID for the correct disclosure. You also need to be clear: One account one editor.
 * Editors here are volunteers and have an interest in the quality of articles in the encyclopaedia. To do that they help other volunteers, and assume that those receiving money, directly or by reason of their employment, ought to help themselves. Fiddle   Faddle  22:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)