Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 April 18

= April 18 =

Request on 04:15:02, 18 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by JASWANT SINGH 07
In my opinion my article is under wikipedia's notability.My company's is well known in Mumbai for its valuable features and contributions during covid period. So i request authors to please publish this article so as many people would know about this company by reading on wikipedia's. I believe encyclopedia is for every topic and that's why i believe you will take action on my concern

JASWANT SINGH 07 (talk) 04:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion my article was notable in every aspect of wikipedia's. Lockfisher company is well reputed firm which is very popular in Mumbai for its contribution and work during the period of covid so we find a need to publish an article on wikipedia's so that more and more people would able to know about Lockfisher. I believe encyclopedia provide knowledge about every single good or bad thing so i request you take proper action against my concern.

JASWANT SINGH 07 (talk) 04:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion my article was notable in every aspect of wikipedia's. Lockfisher company is well reputed firm which is very popular in Mumbai for its contribution and work during the period of covid so we find a need to publish an article on wikipedia's so that more and more people would able to know about Lockfisher. I believe encyclopedia provide knowledge about every single good or bad thing so i request you take proper action against my concern JASWANT SINGH 07 (talk) 04:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have merged your duplicate requests. To answer your question, your draft contains zero reliable sources. This is an encyclopedia, not a business directory. Also see WP:COI. -- Kinu t/c 04:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

06:14:27, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Nikhil5008

06:14:27, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Nikhil5008
Nikhil5008 (talk) 06:14, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * What is your connexion to the company? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 12:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

07:17:50, 18 April 2021 review of draft by Asingleton-green
I am working on an article about a long-running nightclub in New York City. Two videos (by different groups) were filmed at the club and offer an historic view of the unique interior. Both videos received wide airplay on channels like MTV. Is it appropriate to link those videos to the article? Or should they be placed in a “References” section? What is the proper way to do that? Thanks in advance.

Asingleton-green (talk) 07:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see Citing sources for information on citing a video. 331dot (talk) 08:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * fix broken ping Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:49, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

10:05:29, 18 April 2021 review of draft by Triojan LLP
I want to publish an article about a conglomerate in Wiki, but it has been rejected, saying that it is sounding like an advertisement. I want to understand how I can make it sound more factual.

Triojan LLP (talk) 10:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I only had to read the opening to see that the draft is an advertisement. Any and all language that is like "The company aims to provide high-quality products and services to its customers" needs to be removed. The draft should only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Press releases, announcements of routine business activities, the company website, brief mentions, staff interviews, and other primary sources do not establish notability. Please see Your first article
 * Please see your user talk page for important information regarding your username. 331dot (talk) 11:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

14:21:25, 18 April 2021 review of draft by Inspiress
I have gathered evidence from all independent sources and many reliable sources and have written the article from a neutral point of view, I do not understand why my article is tagged as "read more like an advertisement"?? I am not advertising anything in the article, and I am totally independent from this person I am writing about. I would like more detailed response than simply "it reads like an advertisement", such as where I should reword, what I should add more, etc. This is a polite ask for help based on the review. I would appreciate it if any experienced editor can help me point out what I should change.
 * I have not gotten any help asking this question over a day ago. Please help me!**
 * Note: I have gathered as much information about the person I am writing on as possible. As far as providing further detail on any topic, I am unable to gather more details about her.

Inspiress (talk) 14:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I can see why this was declined. There is a lot of WP:PUFFERY in the draft. Things like "She is known as the pioneer of Eldercare" Says who? Just her? The Career section is completely unreferenced and reads like that of a Resume/CV which is also a form of advertising. This is not neutral or stated by any source. Using her own articles as references to prove she wrote for certain publications is a form of WP:OR and can be considered advertising. Even listing each and every publication is a form of advertising, we generally don't care about newspaper or magazine articles they write unless they have made a major impact in her career. Listing highly cited academic writings may also be acceptable. This is the things I noticed from a precursory scan. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 19:48, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the helpful feedback, I will focus on improving upon the points you have mentioned - adding more citations to support the article. There are several points I would like to confirm with you in order to fully understand your response:


 * For one news agency, I have cited the person's profile page as posted in the news agency. As for the other news agencies, I managed to only find archived columns from the person and there was no online profile for her, what relevant citations other than her published columns could I cite? I have only used her own columns to cite proof of her being a columnist and when introducing what she wrote in her own columns briefly. In the career section, except for the first paragraph and the first sentence of the second paragraph, the rest of the section except for the first paragraph (which I forgot to cite) has citations placed for each statement from various interviews with her.


 * Again, thank you for your reply! User:Inspiress (talk)/(contrib) 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If no one has written about the subject that isn't connected to her then she may not qualify, currently, for an article on the English Wikipedia. Unless you can prove she meets any of the criteria in WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG and even then it may be a very short article which we call a stub based just on basic information. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 22:59, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, from an academic side, she has been cited by many subsequent scholars in their journals and academic reports for her expertise, etc. so I could reference those for citations instead. Thank you for the idea! I think I'll focus on more of her academic accomplishments. And yes, it will most likely be a stub. User:Inspiress (talk)/(contrib) 20 April 2021 (UTC)

14:56:55, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Vajradiamond
Vajradiamond (talk) 14:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

This is a translation of the Mandarin article of 谷秀衡


 * Hi . Are you trying to say that you think Draft:Thomas H. Ku should be accepted for publication because the topic exists at zh:谷秀衡? Each language version of Wikipedia operates according to it own set of rules, set by the community of editors who contribute there. So an article may be suitable for the Mandarin Wikipedia but not the English Wikipedia, or vice versa. Also the existence of an article somewhere does not mean it should exist there, it may only mean that no one has gotten around to deleting it yet.
 * The acceptability of the draft depends on the sources it cites. At present it cites no sources, so is completely unacceptable. When you translated the Mandarin article, you didn't copy the three sources it cites. If you wish to continue working on the topic, you could start by citing those sources in your translation. You also would need to find additional independent, reliable, secondary sources that contain significant coverage of him. Only two of the three sources from the Mandarin article are independent of him, and those two are both about his fatal fall from his balcony, so they don't demonstrate significant coverage over a period of time. If you find several suitable sources, you may ask the reviewer to reconsider the rejection of the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

OK I understand. Thank you for letting me know.

14:57:51, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Vajradiamond
Vajradiamond (talk) 14:57, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

How do I do a translation of an Mandarin article in English?
 * If you can read and write both languages, you read it from one and write a translated form in the other. We don't want to see machine translations as a machine does not always capture context and may missed key points in the translation. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 15:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Mcmatter OK I understand, thank you for your advice Mcmatter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vajradiamond (talk • contribs) 15:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Machine translation also generally returns incomprehensible word salad if used for South and East Asian languages. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

16:55:44, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Preethi srinivasa
Hello Wiki,

My article is being rejected on regular basis,I would like to get some advice in this regard.

I have Good fan following who are interested to know about me and the works i have been involved, there are multiple interview telecasted about me on different platforms, so i felt wiki is best place where people can find complete details about me, in this regard i am adding my details here, would like to know what needs to change in my article to make this accepted.

Regards Preethi

Preethi srinivasa (talk) 16:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't be writing about yourself, full stop. We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Every biographical claim that could potentially be challenged for any reason what-so-ever MUST be cited to a strong third-party source that corroborates the claim or, if no such source(s) can be found, removed wholesale. This is a hard requirement when writing any sort of biographical content on Wikipedia and is not negotiable. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:34, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

17:58:08, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Zindacraze
Zindacraze (talk) 17:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

i have used my own data and photographs
 * This draft has been deleted for being overly promotional. All articles must be written from a neutral point of view. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

18:46:37, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Foodu10
Foodu10 (talk) 18:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft reads like an advertisement. To be included in Wikipedia, all articles must be written from a neutral point of view. If you have a conflict of interest, you are obligated to disclose it. Thank you. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

19:37:30, 18 April 2021 review of draft by Lucyschneider
Requesting help to get my first page submission up to guideline standards. I have made multiple changes as requested to comply already, but it is still not enough. Any further suggestions would be much appreciated.

Lucyschneider (talk) 19:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * None of the sources you proffer are significant coverage, and two of your sources are defunct. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

20:17:12, 18 April 2021 review of submission by 2401:4900:5249:9A16:F893:9FBC:A543:D327
2401:4900:5249:9A16:F893:9FBC:A543:D327 (talk) 20:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

20:48:07, 18 April 2021 review of submission by Joolspayne
Hi I have realised the addition of the Last Will and Testament is inappropriate, but cannot find out how to remove it.

Joolspayne (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

21:37:25, 18 April 2021 review of draft by Delbarital
Sorry for bringing this up again but I feel like I'm stuck in a weird position. I checked the notability page and read the substantial coverage examples, yet they are irrelevant:
 * Examples of substantial coverage that would generally be sufficient to meet the requirement:


 * A news article discussing a prolonged controversy regarding a corporate merger, - this is irrelevant because although Next acquired two companies, there was no controversy.
 * A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization, - this is irrelevant because the ongoing media coverage of insurance company is not something that happens, even for very large an well established insurance companies.
 * A documentary film exploring environmental impact of the corporation's facilities or products, - this is irrelevant because there is no environmental impact of next as an insurance startup
 * An encyclopedia entry giving an overview of the history of an organization, - this is irrelevant because we are talking about a startup
 * A report by a consumer watchdog organization on the safety of a specific product, - this is irrelevant because there are no potential safety issues when it comes to insurance
 * An extensive how-to guide written by people wholly independent of the company or product (e.g. For Dummies). - this is irrelevant for this type of service

Yet the company is one of the largest private companies in the world based on its valuation. The vast majority of startups in the list of "unicorns" have articles, while most have similar or less coverage compared to Next. For example: Ginkgo Bioworks, Stripe_(company), Carta (software company), Afiniti. Furthermore, similar companies in the same space, such as Hippo (company), Root, Inc., Lemonade, Inc., all don't have in-depth references that follow the notability guidelines (as far as I understand).

I understand the guidelines, but it seems most articles about startups don't follow them, so I don't understand what am I doing differently that caused the article to be declined?

Delbarital (talk) 21:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * @Delbarital The issue is that a startup that does not have significant coverage (this list is a list if examples, not a definitive list) is not yet suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia.
 * OTHERCRAPEXISTS is useful here. You are welcome, if you have a policy based reason, to nominate any and every article that does not meet the occlusion criteria for deletion. Over time Wikipedia has become tougher to get an article accepted in, Standards are being raised continually. Borderline articles where one turned a hair in, say, 2010, those would not be accepted today.
 * All you can do is concentrate on quality of referencing. Too soon may well apply to your chosen corporation
 * I have not looked at your draft, nor the other articles. I'm speaking generically Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)