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= April 5 =

06:23:25, 5 April 2021 review of submission by Pauliine Mitt
My article got declined, because it doesn't have enough reliable sources, but are regular articles reliable sources as well or what else could be used as that?PauliineMitt (talk) 06:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, you cannot use other Wikipedia articles to source a Wikipedia article, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, in this case, a business, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. This means that you need things like news reports or other independent coverage of this record label from outside sources that have taken note of your label and chosen on their own to write about it (no press releases, announcements of routine activities, interviews, brief mentions)
 * If you are associated with this label, you must review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 06:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

11:33:49, 5 April 2021 review of submission by Mobashir hussain
Mobashir hussain (talk) 11:33, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * @Mobashir hussain apart from lack of notability it doesn;t even look like an article. It has been rejected  Fiddle   Faddle  13:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

13:34:08, 5 April 2021 review of submission by 64.121.103.144
Can I ask someone to re-review this rejected draft? 64.121.103.144 (talk) 13:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC) 64.121.103.144 (talk) 13:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Linking to the draft you want us to look at is advisable. I looked at Draft:Starship SN11 and declined it  Fiddle   Faddle  13:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Link to Draft:Space Exploration.

64.121.103.144 (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

15:11:26, 5 April 2021 review of draft by CreativeContentWriter
Hello, Te figure of whom I would like to make a wikipedia page of is a prominent artist however, there is little coverage of him online but plenty of primary sources. YOuc an find more about him on other art gallery webpages such as on https://rungg.co/artists/khalid-mahmud/ or on http://www.ejazartgallery.com/artist-detail.php/119. Is this enough for the page to be published? His list of publications, as an academic, should suffice to prove he is a prominent figure in academia. Thanks CreativeContentWriter (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You have uploaded a number of photographs of his work, are you the artist Draft:Khalid_Mahmud? If not then they are copyright violations and will need to be removed. Theroadislong (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @CreativeContentWriter Your uploads to Commons for this draft need to be sorted out. Your talk page there will give you details of what is required.  Fiddle   Faddle  17:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

16:23:20, 5 April 2021 review of submission by PhilCrusie2
There is extensive evidence in this article, that is cited properly. It makes me very sad that Wikipedia is fighting so hard against the music in my city. I do not know any other musicians in Hip Hop or EDM that are this well-known in the city of Austin. Sage Suede is a founding creator in these genres that has managed to be well known globally, despite the lack of support for these genres in the city of Austin.

So far, the editors haven't done anything supportive. They say I should remove references to the art museum exhibition and the artist being a polyglot. None of it makes any sense and I feel very hurt that my contributions to Wikipedia are ignored and my city's music is being stifled. I find the motives of these editors to be very suspicious and suspect strong prejudice.

PhilCrusie2 (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like the draft was a victim of WP:REFBOMB when multiple unreliable sources are added, the good ones get lost, for instance YouTube is rarely considered suitable, thegalleryatx.org is a blog which are also not usually considered reliable. Using ten references to support an "independently produced album" is cite overkill, just one would be preferable etc etc. Theroadislong (talk) 16:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Please WP:Assume good faith from other editors, especially if you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia's sourcing requirements. There's a high bar for establishing notability and the current sources are very messy. Assume that the issue is more likely to be with sourcing than any sort of editor conspiracy or prejudice. The onus is on you to demonstrate notability with suitable sources. BlackholeWA (talk) 21:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I added more information on notoriety for this prominent artist in Austin's community and cleaned some more of the sources. I've addressed most of the concerns of reviewers, There's just a lot of info so the extra links could be moved to an appendix. It could use some cleaning but I'm exhausted after working on this for days. Several members of the community have been helpful and they were amazing.

Can you please approve this article, now that it has detail on the artists prominence, including abundant international music coverage? PhilCrusie2 (talk) 23:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I would still consider a lot of the sources to be suspect, as I can't find any indication they have any sort of professional editorial oversight, which is a requirement for us to be able to use a source (alongside independence from the subject and in-depth discussion of same). The obscene number of citations to random blogs hurts the draft significantly. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 00:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

16:40:48, 5 April 2021 review of submission by 64.121.103.144
I am requesting a re-review because I added a lot to the draft. 64.121.103.144 (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Your first port of call is to ask Mcmatter to reconsider their rejection. This is a courtesy, because I doubt any reviewer will overturn a rejection without consulting them. Fiddle   Faddle  16:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Tell zem we already have one-- Space exploration. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 17:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the rejection as the draft is in a much better place, I would still decline as it is basically a rework of the history section of NASA. I have left such a comment on the article and left it so they can submit the draft for review by someone else. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 17:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

19:55:11, 5 April 2021 review of draft by 38.73.141.229
38.73.141.229 (talk) 19:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * This draft has not been submitted for review, but will fail if submitted n its current form Fiddle   Faddle  20:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

20:50:16, 5 April 2021 review of submission by PhilCrusie2
I added more evidence. He was endorsed by the 5th most influential radio personality in the world and recently appeared in issue #251 of DNA Magazine to an audience over 1.9 million. I think it's the largest gay publication in Asia.

PhilCrusie2 (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * PLEASE QUIT MAKING NEW SECTIONS. Reply to one of the threads that has already been replied to. We don't need a new thread every time you make an edit; it's unhelpful and clutters up the page with redundant threads. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 20:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I am new to this and it is very confusing. I posted one more time but I think it might finally be ready. There is much more detail. Sorry about the extra threads.

22:23:41, 5 April 2021 review of submission by Thaentity11
Thaentity11 (talk) 22:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * (Courtesy link: Draft:Amega Family) Two of your three sources are interviews with the family members, which are primary sources. Furthermore, we are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Every biographical claim that could potentially be challenged for any reason what-so-ever MUST be cited to a strong third-party source that corroborates it, and if no such sources can be found they must be removed. This is not negotiable. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 23:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

23:40:34, 5 April 2021 review of draft by Ekkie101
I have included many references to my subject, yet only the first 24 appear in the reference section. Is there a limit to how many refs I can cite or am I doing something wrong?

Ekkie101 (talk) 23:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * the issue is you have not put in more then 24 references you have instead put in mostly external links. Please read through WP:REFB to see how references should be formatted. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)