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= December 12 =

01:19:07, 12 December 2021 review of draft by Brandon Nitro
I am wondering, how i will be able to change the name of my article once i submit it? I am currently trying to submit my sandbox as its own article, however i am wondering if i will be able to properly change the name? Brandon Nitro (talk) 01:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything in your editing history with a sandbox, but if an article is loaded with the incorrect title, it can always be moved later to rename it. TechnoTalk (talk) 20:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

02:31:06, 12 December 2021 review of submission by JohnOskar
Hello,

I'm just a beginner in Wikipedia and may be I don't do everythig perfectly. But my submission has been rejected on 12 December 2021 by JalenFolf with this reason: "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." and: "All reliable sources from this individual relate to Xalam and only reference this individual in passing". But this isn't the case. Because: 1.) I put the references that the musician Taffa Cissé was from 1991 to 2012 the percussionist of Jean-Luc Ponty band. 2.) As such Cissé is also the percussionist on 5 albums from Jean-Luc Ponty - as as Life Enigma (2001), Live at Semper Opera (2002) or The Atacama Experience (2007). I listed all these albums. 3.) I put the references that Cissé appears at the album "Undercover (of the night)" from The Rolling Stones as percussionist, what one even can easyly check on Wikipedia. Further he appears on two more albums from The Rolling Stones and I did list them too. 4.)I put the references that Cissé worked at Deutsche Theatre Berlin in Germany with german/french theatre director Matthias Langhoff. 5.) I put the references that Cissé worked at the Ancient Theatre of Epidaurus with german/french theatre director Matthias Langhoff. 6.) I listed 17 albums where Cissé appears as percussionist with international musicians, bands and singers. - And none of these facts have to do with his band Xalam. But of course I also menntioned Xalam. As it's part of the musical life of this musician. Also, as it's difficult to find newspaper articles and other sources about the early career of Cissé, I put as references articles about Xalam, where Cissés CV is also mentioned. Taffa Cissé is (as one may also check at youtube) a percussionist who has a played with many musicians and bands, with a lot of stars. How can one say, that he isn't sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia? I ask you to please accept my subbmission. Thanks a lot John

JohnOskar (talk) 02:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ignoring the overly descriptive language that needs cleanup for now... please provide WP:THREE sources, here or in the article comments, that show the subject is notable indepedent of the band. Slywriter (talk) 03:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


 * ok, thanks for the hint with the descriptive language.

Here the references that show the interest of the percussionist Taffa Cissé. 1.) https://www.musicinafrica.net/node/16288 Music Africa states in french: "Avec un jeu corrosif, épuré, d’une technique rare, Taffa Cissé impressionne et séduit toujours son public par son explosivité. Il faut dire, qu’il est devenu un « maitre-tambour », c’est-à dire- quelqu’un qui a passé avec succès par toutes les étapes de la formation du percussionniste. Après avoir subi dès son jeune âge une formation solide dans le maniement des percussions, le jeune Taffa étudie la musique au conservatoire de Dakar (l’Institut National des arts du Sénégal I.N.A.S ) avant de passer à l’École Mudra Afrique créé par Maurice Béjart et dirigée par Germaine Acogny en tant que musicien et compositeur. Bien formé et passionné par son art, il intégra le réputé Ballet national la Linguère. Très rapidement, il devient l’un des plus grands solistes au Sénégal. (With a corrosive, pure and rare technique, Taffa Cissé always impresses and seduces his audience with his explosiveness. It must be said that he has become a "master drummer", that is to say, someone who has successfully passed through all the stages of training of the percussionist.English: After having undergone a solid training in the handling of percussion from a young age, the young Taffa studied music at the Dakar Conservatory (the National Institute of Arts of Senegal I.N.A.S) before moving on to the Mudra Africa School created by Maurice Béjart and directed by Germaine Acogny as a musician and composer. Well trained and passionate about his art, he integrated the renowned Ballet National la Linguère. Very quickly, he became one of the greatest soloists in Senegal.) 2.) http://www.timeisonourside.com/SOUndercover.html and http://www.timeisonourside.com/whydontAD.html#MOUSTAPHA as many other links to the Rolling Stones Albums 1983 - Undercover (of the night), 1983 – The Complete Story Of Rolling Stones 18, 2018 - The Rolling Stones - Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016 prove that Taffa (Moustapha) Cissé is playing at heese albums (and not the band Xalam!). 3.) https://www.bmeia.gv.at/oeb-dakar/aktuelles/veranstaltungen/detail/article/23-ausgabe-des-internationalen-jazzfestivals-in-saint-louis/ this is the Austrian Embassy site and it tells in German:"Martin Reiter, ehemals gefeierter Newcomer der österreichischen Jazzszene und mittlerweile Professor für Jazzklavier am Konservatorium Wien, präsentiert sein allerneuestes Trio-Projekt. Auf dem 2014 erschienen Doppel-Album „Acoustic & Electric Trio“ hat er die Arbeit mit seinem akustischen Klaviertrio und elektrischen Trio unter Einsatz von Keyboard und Hammondorgel festgehalten. Mit seinem dritten Besuch in Senegal geht ein lang ersehnter Wunsch in Erfüllung, und zwar die Zusammenarbeit mit einem großartigen senegalesischen Künstler: Taffa Cissé, den man in Europa als Percussionisten von Jean-Luc Ponty kennt, wird den rhythmischen Part im Martin Reiter Trio übernehmen."(Martin Reiter, formerly a celebrated newcomer to the Austrian jazz scene and now professor of jazz piano at the Vienna Conservatory, presents his very latest trio project. On the double album "Acoustic & Electric Trio", released in 2014, he recorded the work with his acoustic piano trio and electric trio using keyboard and Hammond organ. With his third visit to Senegal, a long-awaited wish comes true, namely the collaboration with a great Senegalese artist: Taffa Cissé, known in Europe as Jean-Luc Ponty's percussionist, will take over the rhythmic part in the Martin Reiter Trio.) This speaks about how much Cissé is known in Europe as a percussionist from Jean-Luc Ponty. 4.) see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atacama_Experience, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchokola, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Ponty_in_Concert 5.)JazzEcho https://www.jazzecho.de/jean-luc-ponty/news-und-rezensionen/jean-luc-ponty-the-atacama-experience-69563 speaks about Jean-Luc Pontys Atacama Experience and Cissé: "Die restlichen Stücke spielte der Franzose, der am 29. September seinen 65. Geburtstag feiert,  mit seiner festen Band ein, die nun schon seit acht Jahren in dieser Besetzung zusammenspielt. Die Keyboards spielt der aus Poitiers/Frankreich stammende William Lecomte, der 1999 als letztes Mitglied zur derzeitigen Band stieß. Der aus Douala/Kamerun stammende Bassist Guy Nsangué Akwa, der auch schon mit afrikanischen Stars wie Papa Wemba, Mory Kanté, Oumou Sangaré und der karibischen Zouk-Band Kassav arbeitete, spielt schon seit 1991 in Pontys Band. Schlagzeuger Thierry Arpino wurde in der Nähe von Paris geboren und begleitete Manu Dibango, bevor er sich 1997 Pontys Band anschloß. Letzter im Bunde ist der senegalesische Perkussionist Moustapha “Taffa” Cissé, der 1991 schon an der Aufnahme des Ponty-Albums “Tchokola” beteiligt war und seit 1993 ein treuer Begleiter des Violinisten ist." (The Frenchman, who celebrates his 65th birthday on September 29, recorded the remaining tracks with his permanent band, which has been playing together in this line-up for eight years now. The keyboards are played by William Lecomte, a native of Poitiers/France, who was the last member to join the current band in 1999. Bassist Guy Nsangué Akwa, a native of Douala, Cameroon, who has also worked with African stars such as Papa Wemba, Mory Kanté, Oumou Sangaré and the Caribbean zouk band Kassav, has played in Ponty's band since 1991. Drummer Thierry Arpino was born near Paris and accompanied Manu Dibango before joining Ponty's band in 1997. The last member is Senegalese percussionist Moustapha "Taffa" Cissé, who was involved in the recording of Ponty's 1991 album "Tchokola" and has been a faithful companion of the violinist since 1993.) 6.) https://www.geneveactive.ch/article/matthias-langhoff-philippe-macasdar-et-michel-deutsch-arretes-par-la-police-grecque/ states that Cissé works as percussionist with the in europe well known theatre director Matthias Langhoff at Ancient Theatre of Epidaurus in Grèce: "La part importante prise par les danses, mais aussi par la musique des percussions africaines du sénégalais Moustapha Cissé, plaça en partie ces Bacchantes sous le signe du continent noir. Dans le texte d’Euripide, l’étranger Dionysos arrive des lointaines terres d’Asie, mais il a parcouru le monde et s’est imprégné de toutes les cultures, aussi l’Asie n’est-elle qu’un « lieu imaginaire où Dionysos a instauré son culte."(The important part taken by the dances, but also by the music of the African percussions of the Senegalese Moustapha Cissé, placed partly these Bacchantes under the sign of the black continent. In the text of Euripides, the foreigner Dionysus arrives from the distant lands of Asia, but he has traveled the world and has been impregnated with all cultures, so Asia is only an "imaginary place where Dionysus has established his cult.) 7.) https://www.freitag.de/autoren/der-freitag/aus-dem-geist-des-mythos the german magazine Der Freitag speaks about the theatre production in Berlin at Deutsche Theater (director Matthias Langhoff) and states: "...beginnt der Chor der Frauen sich zu formieren unter dem suggestiv-unwiderstehlichen Rhythmus afrikanischer Trommeln (Mustapha Cissé) und ihrem eigenen afrikanischen Gesang..." (...the choir of women begins to form under the suggestive irresistible rhythm of African drums (Mustapha Cissé) and their own African singing...) 8.) https://jeanphilipperykiel.com/rencontres/adiouma-diabate/ The musician Jean Philippe Rykiel tells here about Taffa Cissés collaboration with coreographe Irène Tassémbedo. 9.) Le Site official https://be.france.fr/fr/paris/article/ecouter-jazz-paris dit sür le club Le Baiser Salé à Paris:"Cette salle atypique propose de l'inédit, du sang neuf et peut se vanter de découvrir nombre des nouveaux talents de la scène jazz ! Elle a vu débuter sur ses planches Richard Bona, Taffa Cissé ou encore Etienne MBappé."(This atypical venue offers something new, new blood and can boast of discovering many of the new talents of the jazz scene! It has seen the debut of Richard Bona, Taffa Cissé and Etienne MBappé.) 9.) I also listed all these Albums (beside the albums with his band Xalam) with Taffa Cissé: with The Rolling Stones

1983 - Undercover (of the night) 1983 – The Complete Story Of Rolling Stones 18 2018 - The Rolling Stones - Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016

with Jean-Luc Ponty

1991 - Tchokola 2001 - Life Enigma 2002 - Live at Semper Opera 2007 - The Atacama Experience 2004 - Jean-Luc Ponty in Concert DVD

with others

1979 Juhani Aaltonen Springbird 1986 Les Porte MentauCombat Des Races 1993 Salif Keita et Steve Hillage L'Enfant Lion (Bande Originale Du Film)"" 1996 Clement Masdongar Siya 1995 Yuba Everybody Nyani-Nyaniv 1997 Meiway Les Génies Vous Parlent 1999 MeEddy Louissiway Sang Mêlé 2000 Vanilla Attié Lagondes Horizons 2005 Clara Ponty Mirror Of Truth 2005 Lura Di Korpu Ku Alma 2005 Tcheka Nu Monda 2007 Roger 'Kemp' Biwandu Influences 2005 Julia Sarr & Patrice Larose Set Luna 2009 Lura Eclipse 2009 Eddy Louissl D'Un Jour A L'Autre ... 2020 Don Pascal The Dakar Experiment

Taffa Cissé is a worldwide known percussionist, who played with The Rolling Stones and Jean-Luc Ponty, but also with important theatre and dance compagnies, with a lot of stars and newcomers. There is not much documented in the internet about him, but this doesn't change the fact, that he is notable and an artist of interest.
 * , Way too much information here. I'm off to bed but if you expect someone to review, please be concise in showing three sources. Walls of text are far less likely to get attention.  Slywriter (talk) 06:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)



http://www.timeisonourside.com/SOUndercover.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atacama_Experience, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchokola, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Ponty_in_Concert

https://www.geneveactive.ch/article/matthias-langhoff-philippe-macasdar-et-michel-deutsch-arretes-par-la-police-grecque/
 * , Your sources do not show any indication of notability for the subject. Additionally, Wikipedia is never a source. As stated by the previous reviwer, this article will not be considered further.  Slywriter (talk) 16:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

05:59:53, 12 December 2021 review of submission by Sush150
Sush150 (talk) 05:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

15:26:37, 12 December 2021 review of draft by I am Being Here to Help You
This is my first time using Wikipedia. I cannot understand exactly what is wrong. So, I am contacting you.

I am Being Here to Help You (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

So, what would make this an acceptable Wikipedia page?


 * I am Being Here to Help You, first, you want to check if the subject should have a Wikipedia page (what we call "notable"). The typical way to do that is to find 2-3 independent (not written by the subject of the article or anyone related to them), reliable (something like a newspaper, not like a random blog) sources that have significant coverage (so not just a sentence or two about the topic).


 * If you've found those sources, you want to write the article in a neutral way, with references in the text showing where you got that information. The article you submitted reads like an advertisement ("the wonders of science", "the next level of learning"). Rusalkii  (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)