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= December 15 =

Request on 04:58:55, 15 December 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by ApprenticeFan
The request of this draft working article as two state pageants had already crowned in September as state pageants are currently underway for the 2022 edition.

ApprenticeWiki  work  04:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

13:59:32, 15 December 2021 review of draft by 72.74.26.127
I'm confused as to why this article was declined. Wikipedia has made it clear that articles on hospitals are notable, and this is a well-known hospital in New Hampshire that has existed for 115 years. In fact, it's the only hospital in the Mass General Brigham system without a Wikipedia page - including much smaller hospitals.

All the information was sourced directly from the hospital's website and a book that was written on the hospital. I don't believe it reads like an advertisement whatsoever.

What needs to change to get this approved? Can an editor just make adjustments?

72.74.26.127 (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft requires independent sources, which is what we base articles on, we have virtually no interest in what their own website has to say. Theroadislong (talk) 14:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I definitely understand the need to have independent sources to make sure articles don't become advertisements. However, the information here is simple facts from the authoritative source. None of the drafted content is in question or controversial in any way. It's just information about the facility, it's history, and its services. It's the same place an independent journalist would get accurate information about the hospital's operations. For example, you're not going to find a list of a hospital's services anywhere else but their website and that's certainly reliable information. With that in mind, what else can be done here? Happy to change language if necessary. 72.74.26.127 (talk) 16:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * An article about a hospital should not be merely describing its services, unless independent reliable sources do that(which they do sometimes do). It is true that primary sources can be used in some circumstances, but not to establish notability. The article should tell us not what the hospital considers to be its own history, but what independent sources say its history is. The need for independent reliable sources is not necessarily to prevent articles from being advertisements, but is to ensure a neutral point of view that can be verified. 331dot (talk) 17:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Well the article does much more than describe services - that's just a part of it. And the history of the hospital was procured from a book written about it, which is sourced on the page. How do you appropriately cite a book on Wikipedia if it's only available in print? I'll try to add some additional sourcing, as well. 72.74.26.127 (talk) 14:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

16:24:09, 15 December 2021 review of submission by MOLALEYE17
MOLALEYE17 (talk) 16:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

can you help with my article
 * , Given wikipedia already has an article chatbot, I am unsure of what you are trying to accomplish. Slywriter (talk) 16:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

, I believe that is suggesting a draft of an article named something like Chatbots in medicine. Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 23:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

23:11:11, 15 December 2021 review of submission by Mac Henni: clarification on notability
I want to clarify one of the WP:BAND rules. Would the | iTunes chart count as a chart as per rule 2? (That source probaly wouldn't be one I used...) Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 23:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC) '''I want to note that I am trying to figure how to get this article across. I have not edited it quite yet, and am needing guidence''' Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 23:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Vendor-/platform-specific charts never count. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 02:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 15:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want some idea as to what charts are acceptable, we have a page listing them based on region/country. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)