Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 December 24

= December 24 =

00:00:38, 24 December 2021 review of submission by Empress-of-angels
Empress-of-angels (talk) 00:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Hi. I am hoping you can help me understand. I am having a problem I have never encountered.

I created a new page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_Minimalism Organic Minimalism is an art manifesto, as defined by Wikipedia. The article has multiple citations/sources. It is developing into movement.

New Page Reviewer Vexations ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vexations ) has taken an intense interest in the Organic Minimalism page. They insist that it be merged into to the page of the (female) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_Colon who first used the term. to describe her art. (It has since been used elsewhere to describe other artists.) While she used in first in 2012, that is recorded only as a video on YouTube, and I know that is not a preferred source.

I first responded to each of Vexations' remarks, using Wikipedia articles as my sources.

I adjusted the Organic Minimalism and Colon's articles for clarity.

To answer another of Vexations' remarks, I updated the Organic Minimalism article with link from Wallpaper, a well-known international art journal ( https://www.wallpaper.com/art/light-and-space-copenhagen-contemporary-review ). This article provided additional support for Organic Minimalism as a burgeoning movement.

However, Vexations removed the citation and internal links, telling me on the discussion page, "This is really something no source has ever said." The person who used the term "organic minimalism" is the (female) curator quoted in Wallpaper article. I assume she would be a source.

In the edit notes, Vexations wrote, "misrepresents what the source says"

This is what Marie Nipper, the director of Copenhagen Contemporary, says: ‘We didn’t want to do the obvious Light and Space show that has been done before. We wanted to broaden the scope of artists with new females as well as males and to broaden the spectrum. The Light and Space movement is infused with more than the surface-oriented works, there’s also what I call organic minimalism, oriented towards the landscape or towards painting in expanded fields.’

The Organic Minimalism article is still being considered an orphan, despite links to other articles on Wikipedia, some of which were lost when Vexations reversed my addition of the Dec 2021 article from Wallpaper.

Not to nitpick, Vexations' point about "Kafkaesque" and "Kafka" has nothing to do with the discussion.

And then They ignored the quoted reference below and tried to turn it again me.

"Some of the first artists to create what came to be known as lowbrow art were... In an article in the February 2006 issue of his magazine Juxtapoz, Robert Williams took credit for originating the term' "lowbrow art." He stated that in 1979 Gilbert Shelton of the publisher Rip Off Press decided to produce a book featuring Willams' paintings. Williams said he decided to give the book the self-deprecating title The Lowbrow Art of Robt. Williams..."

I am at a loss. Artists and/or critics coin terms to describe work. Other artists and critics see/hear/move/react/respond.

TL/DR: It's all in "discuss" and the edits.

Facts aren't feelings, so I won't bore you with my (female) lady sighs. But dang...as some one who has Wikipediaed female artists, Los Angeles/Southern California artists, and art movements sporadically for almost a decade now, wow just wow. I do not understand Vexations' misunderstandings.
 * Hi this help desk is for drafts submitted through Articles for Creation but it seems your issue is with an article in already in main space so you have the incorrect venue.  Per WP:BRD, your next step is to start a discussion on the article's talk page but I do suggest being more succinct with your arguments and keep it about the content rather than any particular editor. S0091 (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

10:08:41, 24 December 2021 review of submission by 79.79.150.214
Hi there - links to press articles have now been included.

79.79.150.214 (talk) 10:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

14:21:46, 24 December 2021 review of submission by Bahram2010
Hello, I created a page for UArchitects but i figured out that also this page existed and being rejected already.i would like to what is issue came up regarding this page? Thank you Bahram2010 (talk) 14:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

18:34:47, 24 December 2021 review of submission by Nin0Jin
What's wrong with my references?

Nin0Jin (talk) 18:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The reviewer left a message on the draft, in the decline message, indicating the issue. 331dot (talk) 18:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

19:12:27, 24 December 2021 review of submission by Columbidae5
I think, this article follows Notability rules. So, it will be include to wikipedia. Columbidae5 (talk) 19:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)