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= July 12 =

02:52:02, 12 July 2021 review of submission by WinnieHunter
Mistakenly credited all entires in the filmography section to unreliable source IMDb. Deleted all of that and added more credible references and citations to the actual content rather than credits. Thanks.

WinnieHunter (talk) 02:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . If he's really best known for his [2] television appearances in Orange is the New Black [10 lines?] ..., and the best evidence of being well known for that is his name and character name on a list of the 200+ actors who appeared in the one season of the series, then you're wasting your time, he is not notable (not suitable for a stand alone encyclopedia article). The rejection of the draft is intended to convey that it's hopeless, that no amount of editing will make the topic acceptable. Consequently, volunteers do not intend to review it again. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

05:22:50, 12 July 2021 review of submission by GoldenRise
GoldenRise (talk) 05:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Not only is it utterly unsourced, but it's written to promote her and her music. This is not acceptable. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

06:40:06, 12 July 2021 review of submission by ChiCaproni
Hello! I'm incredibly confused by this. There are countless other organizations who have Wikipedia pages. I have done the same for this organization (that I discovered recently and have no form of sponsor from). It's an encyclopedia article defining the organization for those who don't know. I am not sure what else I could have done to make it more impartial. Comparing it to numerous other organization pages and Wikipedia instructions, my independent secondary sources are abundant and content focuses on structure and skeletal features to simply define the organization and some other associated terms/projects that people may go searching for-- like an encyclopedia entry. This decision doesn't make sense when I look at what I see published on Wikipedia and outlined in the instructions for creating a page. I have followed all guidelines. There is no place in the article where I promote the organization at all. I would appreciate publication or further detailed explanation. Thank you. ChiCaproni (talk) 06:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further, and I wager all those other articles weren't written to promote the organisation, puff it up as the hottest thing since sliced bread, and go off on tangents about how GRAET and AWESUM and WAKKAWAKKA they are. We do not accept blatant spam, advertising, or articles written in such a way as to promote their subject with what is the text equivalent of a Gish gallop. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 08:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * (And just to be clear - it is still promotional, both in word usage and what is covered. If you have a connexion to the subject, I would recommend disclosing it.) —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:00:49, 12 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Sayyar-Mon
Talieh-Sayyar (talk) 07:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

11:24:51, 12 July 2021 review of draft by Lenny328
The article I wrote was declined. I'm asking for help to better rewrite it into the better Wikipedia format. Since most of my sources were originally in Cantonese, maybe may translation of the references into my article was not formal enough. Thank you.

Lenny328 (talk) 11:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

11:37:18, 12 July 2021 review of submission by Dp3stage
Dp3stage (talk) 11:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Team,

I have recently started contributing to Wikipedia. But my article is been removed/deleted. But I think it's an appropriate draft & not some kinda paid promotion. Please help me retrieve it.
 *  Foliyoo offers a comprehensive assortment of services to its clients. The company has all kinds of vehicles possible with him for any kind of supply chain support. A few of them are listed below. And for more information, You may visit https://www.foliyoo.com . Perhaps you would have had more luck by starting off sources independent of the subject. MOS:PEACOCK might also be worth a read. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

13:06:25, 12 July 2021 review of draft by Shalni gupta
My draft is not live where is my mistake. please help me out Shalni gupta (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a how to guide, but an encyclopedia. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 17:15:27, 12 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Bankrupt305
Hi, I crafted a Wikipedia page for Zack Weiner with a number of secondary sources from prominent publications. Can I get further guidance as to how he can be considered notable?

Bankrupt305 (talk) 17:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the top table here.
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/sports/basketball/overtime-league-high-school-pay.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Other than indicating he's Overtime's president, any other information about him is direct quotes from him or something he and his business partner are effectively saying jointly; there's no actual discussion of Weiner.
 * https://frontofficesports.com/overtime-expansion/ is useless for notability (too sparse). As with the NYT, the only information that isn't directly based on what he told the outlet is that he's Overtime's president.
 * https://www.wsj.com/articles/overtime-raises-80-million-from-jeff-bezos-drake-nba-stars-and-others-11619087409 is useless for notability (too sparse). The WSJ article barely even mentions him.
 * We can't use https://www.forbes.com/sites/igorbosilkovski/2021/04/30/meet-the-under-3o-entrepreneur-who-just-raised-80-million-for-his-sports-media-startup/?sh=22d1f8425aeb (no editorial oversight, deprecated). Forbes contributors are essentially using Forbes as a platform to publish op-eds; what they write isn't actually subject to editorial rigour like content from Forbes' actual staff journalists.
 * https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2021/04/05/nyc-sports-execs-dominate-sbj-40-under-40.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drops.
 * https://www.sporttechie.com/overtimes-co-founder-zack-weiner-on-the-evolving-nature-of-how-fans-consume-share-content-socially/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview.
 * http://joefavorito.com/2015/08/12/trying-to-find-a-winning-sports-quotient/ is useless for notability (Connexion to subject). Interview.
 * https://schedule.sxsw.com/2019/speakers/2006805 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). At best you can cite this to verify that he was at SXSW 2019, but just speaking there does not help for notability.
 * https://www.thedp.com/article/2012/09/sports-quotient-blog-launched-by-penn-undergrads is fine.
 * https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/the-brooklyn-startup-helping-high-school-athletes-go-viral is fine, but the image at the top of the page may be an issue for those with photosensitivity disorders such as epilepsy.
 * https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/drake-jeff-bezos-overtime-funding-investment-1234957845/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop and quote.
 * https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/22/jeff-bezos-drake-and-more-invest-80-million-in-sports-media-company-overtime.html is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.fastcompany.com/90624723/how-this-startup-is-redesigning-pro-basketball-for-the-creator-economy is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
 * If I may be candid, some of the sources proffered help prove that Overtime is notable, while doing nothing to help the notability of Weiner. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

17:44:21, 12 July 2021 review of submission by 63.240.242.213
63.240.242.213 (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

hoge is now featured on latest article by moneycontrol.com which is a trusted cryptocurrency news source

17:52:55, 12 July 2021 review of draft by 2600:1700:2160:4A70:0:0:0:55E
What do you consider reliable sources if not Amazon, Walmart, Library of Congress, local news papers. I don't know what else to furnish you.

2600:1700:2160:4A70:0:0:0:55E (talk) 17:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:RSP contains frequently discussed sources, anything with a green background is acceptable, sources with a yellow background might, but might also not, be acceptable, and anything else is not acceptable. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

18:05:39, 12 July 2021 review of draft by WikiCpa
The previous reviewer had mentioned that he could not "access" the resources. Following that I had provided scanned pages from the reference books. Now the next reviewer states the sources are not reliable even though the sources are "independent" and "official" sources. The only source that is missing is that of World War 2 which is more to provide background - the notability is relating to the actions in the war of 1965 and operations in Kargil that changed the direction of the military conflict and political outcomes. I have requested an additional book written by General Harbhaksh Singh to see if there are any further references, however, anyone familiar with Indian Military History of the time will be able to endorse the sources and reliability. I would request that someone be assigned who can "access" the sources referenced in the article rather than to condemn the article because they are unable to access the sources. Thank you. PS: I have made substantial edits based on the reviewer comments. Following your response I will attempt to make any other suggested changes and then submit the article again. WikiCpa (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiCpa (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . When you resubmit the draft, it will be reviewed. I don't interpret the first reviewer's comment quite the same as you do. Don't worry too much about who will review it. Reviewers have enormous access to sources, and considerable experience evaluating drafts even when some sources are difficult to access.
 * A common difficulty with drafts written by family members is that they usually want to present the complete story of their relative, everything they know. But Wikipedia doesn't permit editors to use their personal knowledge of the subject. Instead every statement must be supported by reliable sources, and the bulk of the content should come from independent, secondary sources.
 * One solution is to slash any content for which you cannot cite a reliable source. That may leave a very incomplete biography, but that's okay with Wikipedia. If you aren't willing to do that, then you may wish to consider alternative outlets, with different inclusion criteria, for what you want to write. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

18:59:33, 12 July 2021 review of submission by 2603:7000:2143:8500:C9A2:9540:670:12BB
I am requesting a re-review. As he meets GNG.

Thanks. --2603:7000:2143:8500:C9A2:9540:670:12BB (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC) 2603:7000:2143:8500:C9A2:9540:670:12BB (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

19:26:56, 12 July 2021 review of submission by SidraRanaAdv
My article is not accepted even i used authentic resources and refrences links Help me SidraRanaAdv (talk) 19:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the top table here.
 * We can't use reference 1 (circular reference).
 * We can't use https://churashareef.com (Website homepage). We need to see specific articles, not a homepage where the information is highly unlikely to be.
 * We can't use https://www.lawreforms.pk (website homepage).
 * We can't use reference 4 (Circular reference).
 * https://www.samaa.tv/news/2017/10/asma-jahangirs-group-clean-sweeps-scba-elections/ is borderline. Being elected to head the bar association doesn't help for WP:NPOL and isn't in and of itself a strong indicator of notability.
 * https://tribune.com.pk/story/1546249/asma-jahangir-led-independent-group-wins-scba-annual-elections is borderline; it has the same issues as the Samaa source.
 * https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/412370-Syed-Kaleem-Ahmed-Khursheed-elected-SCBA-president is borderline; it has the same issues as the Samaa source.
 * https://www.dawn.com/news/1367585 " "; " " " " " " " " ".
 * We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbz2aukC-U (unknown provenance). We can only accept YouTube as a source if the video was produced by an outlet we'd ordinarily consider a reliable source and uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
 * We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtf9-ZCXCk (unknown provenance).
 * " " " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtf9-ZCXCk (" ").
 * " " " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEuC9_NL6eQ (" ").
 * I can't assess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtkctVDoXY due to a language barrier, but given the (English-language) title I'm sceptical it's going to be any different from Samaa, Tribune.pk, Sawn, or Dunya News.
 * We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRy13ODPMc (Unknown provenance).
 * " " " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Y08lrhujk (" ").
 * " " " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOtHqgpS6U (" ").
 * " " " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCHAKx9pt0 (" ").
 * " " " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elt-qBDeqa4 (" ").
 * The only sources even approaching usability are all connected in some way to the election, and that's a very bad sign for the article's viability. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The only sources even approaching usability are all connected in some way to the election, and that's a very bad sign for the article's viability. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

20:27:53, 12 July 2021 review of draft by Abookishbee
Abookishbee (talk) 20:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We do not accept recipes. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , please see Gonimbrasia belina where this topic is already covered. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)