Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 July 17

= July 17 =

06:01:56, 17 July 2021 review of submission by Resandasandul
Resandasandul (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC) Wh my Article Is Decline
 * It was deleted as a blatant advertisment/promotional effort, after being declined as you don't seem to meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. Please see the autobiography policy.  331dot (talk) 07:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

07:52:38, 17 July 2021 review of submission by 2409:4064:2097:FF73:0:0:F23:58A4
2409:4064:2097:FF73:0:0:F23:58A4 (talk) 07:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Sir, This is my private company where i post job so i want to upload my company in Wikipedia. My aim is helping Indian people who looking for a job. Please Approve it🙏🙏 Thank you
 * Wikipedia is not here to help you promote your company. If independent editors completely unaffilated with your company take note of it in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to give it significant coverage, and it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company, they will write an article about it- but it will not be your company's control. I wish you well in helping Indians to get jobs, but you'll have to publicize your company elsewhere. Please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

09:13:35, 17 July 2021 review of submission by Ab.abhimanyu
Ab.abhimanyu (talk) 09:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Moot as it has been deleted as blatant and irreparable advertising/promotion. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

11:57:23, 17 July 2021 review of draft by Zelchenko
I submitted an AfC on the late subject's article. Columnist Jose Guevara was an influential fixture in Philippine politics, daily sharing the breakfast table and cocktail bar with presidents and legislators. Over a period of several decades (one source says 80 years), he apparently wrote a biweekly opinion column (think Mike Royko) for the two largest and most influential dailies in Manila. The evidence for this should be out there, but it's hard to find for several very common reasons (he flourished in print periodicals, and prior to the web's rise; he was a journalist, which means he himself was not written about much; Philippine journalography and online resources are not as developed as Western; probably some valid sources are in Tagalog).

However, in this month's "runt cull" of the AfC backlog, the piece has been marked for deletion based apparently on a reading of only the first section of the notability guidelines. I believe the reviewer in his rush for personal wiki merit badges has neither subjected the article to a proper review, nor viewed the submission in light of this longtime contributor's opinion, nor volunteered to pick up and try to prod the article slightly above the line (as appears to be one responsibility of editors). Nope, just slap and grab, as we used to say in the editorial offices and type shops. Efforts to reason with the reviewer are met with defensiveness and defiance. I take it personally because I invested my own volunteer time on this and my objection to his action should be considered seriously; I don't deserve such assembly-line treatment and, frankly, neither do the subject or the Philippine people.

The truth is that the subject Jose Guevara would probably easily qualify for notablity under a more nuanced reading of the notability guidelines. I don't have time myself to nurse the article to sufficient health to overcome the reviewer's objections. Zelchenko (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Zelchenko (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . I don't see where the draft has been marked for deletion. The reviewer declined it, in the belief that if published to main space as it was, it would more likely than not have been deleted. Articles for creation is an optional process so long as you don't have a conflict of interest and aren't editing under some unusual sanctions. So you have several choices. If you believe the reviewer is mistaken, that the page would survive in article space, then you are always welcome to move it there. Many more editors will see it in article space, and perhaps improve it. If you don't wish to risk AfD, you may continue to improve the draft and resubmit it when you are more confident. Other editors are unlikely to stumble across the draft on their own, but you could try asking at WikiProject Tambayan Philippines or WikiProject Journalism for help improving it. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Two sentences is barely an article at all, it would help your case if you added more content to show that he passes WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 15:41, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was not marked for deletion, only declined. What happened to stub articles? Given some time, some more supporting material can be found. But as it is, due to the various points I mentioned, there is less information in this area for Philippine material than, say, for Western. This threatens a prejudice against non-Euroamerican content, entities, and personalities. Zelchenko (talk) 15:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Stub articles are still required to pass the criteria at WP:GNG. Sources do not need to be online, print is absolutely fine. Theroadislong (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

20:33:24, 17 July 2021 review of submission by NdbyQwK43y
I cannot understand the problem with this entity (there are other entities that are less significant available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Huntley_Watt.

NdbyQwK43y (talk) 20:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * @NdbyQwK43y I think you need to read the comment by the rejecting reviewer. Continued rapid fire resubmissions are akin to WP:OTHERPARENT, plus being rather impolite
 * With the other article you mention, no precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That article was never drafted. (It was created directly in mainspace one month before drafting was made mandatory.) —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 21:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

21:17:25, 17 July 2021 review of draft by Btspurplegalaxy
Although she doesn't meet the music notability criteria, I believe she at least meets WP:Entertainer. Do I just need to mention that on her talk page for the next reviewer?

Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * @Btspurplegalaxy I have logged your thoughts on the draft as a comment, one you will likely have seen already. I make no comment on your suggestion. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)