Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 July 21

= July 21 =

Request on 07:58:47, 21 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Martin karu
i need your help to publish my article..can you tell me what are the changes wanna i do...?

Martin karu (talk) 07:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You are joking aren’t you? “faced an Advanced Level examination in biological science”, “nominated as the captain of the school football team” none of this even begins to make him notable! Theroadislong (talk) 08:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

09:53:20, 21 July 2021 review of submission by Yilmas.HF
I created the article Elcin Barker Ergun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elcin_Barker_Ergun. When the article was accepted it has been reviwed a lot with many changes. I would like to understand the detailed reasons behind each change to better contribute in future to this page. Furthermore even if I had all the permissions and copyright from the photographer, the picture of Elcin has been deleted (I actually could not find the corrispettive copy tag, so I wrote it down as "other tags", however it didn't worked). How can I restore the picture? Thanks a lot for your kind support, please let me have an answer.

Yilmas.HF (talk) 09:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * See here: Wikimedia Commons: When do I contact the Volunter response Team? . Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

11:50:06, 21 July 2021 review of submission by SidraRanaAdv
SidraRanaAdv 11:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something; a Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to state about(in this case) an organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've blocked this user for one week for disruptive editing, as he has repeatedly submitted the same draft without making any attempt to improve it. I've also rejected the draft. Deb (talk) 12:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

12:41:01, 21 July 2021 review of submission by Imanav07
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Imanav07 (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anshu_Bisht is the page i was editting .. i need a reason why it can't be published
 * {{re|Imanav07}} I am afraid I have sent this to draftspace, as Draft:GamerFleet (2). I have done this because I don't see how GamerFleet is noteable in Wikipedia's sence of the word, and because this article lacks reliable sources. YouTube is rarely a reliable source (and in this case it isn't), see WP:RSPYT and WP:SELFPUB Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 14:31:11, 21 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Writerspace
I am attempting to create a Wikipedia page for author Denise Hunter. Hunter is an author of over 40 books, many of them bestsellers. 3 of her books have been made into movies on the Hallmark channel. My initial article submission for her was not sourced properly, but after this was brought to my attention, I edited the article several times. It is currently sourced with reputable media sources: television stations WANE 15 (Ft. Wayne, IN), WTHR 13 (Indianapolis), WPTA 21 (Ft. Wayne, IN) and CBN; newspaper articles from the Journal Gazette (Ft. Wayne, IN), Sterling Journal-Advocate (Sterling, CO), Pilot News (Plymouth, IN), magazine articles in Smart Living Fort Wayne and reputable websites such as Publishers Weekly. Still my most recent submission was rejected as not showing significant coverage "in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." I believe the citations listed below show significant coverage in published, reliable secondary sources. Please advise. Writerspace (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Writerspace (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Writerspace (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've snipped the references list here as it duplicates what is already on the draft. Refer to the top table here:
 * We can't use https://www.wane.com/news/local-news/allen-co-romance-authors-newest-tops-amazons-chart-best-selling-books-list/ (too sparse). Extremely short article with barely any meat on the bones.
 * We can't use http://web.archive.org/web/20100527030900/www.ecpa.org/bestseller/fiction.php?id=409 (too sparse). Authors do not adhere to WP:NMUSIC standards unless they're also known for their music.
 * https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/religion/article/86279-religion-and-spirituality-bestsellers-april-2021.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
 * https://www.smartlivingfortwayne.northwestquarterly.com/2021/01/18/no-regrets-for-this-successful-author/ appears to be OK.
 * https://www.wthr.com/article/news/entertainment-news/indiana-author-denise-hunter-discusses-trilogy/531-e2c8fb08-9f85-49af-a331-04d8d74ddbf4 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview.
 * https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/religion/article/73661-christian-fiction-keeps-its-allure.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop and a plot synopsis of a book, no discussion/review of either.
 * We can't use https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwbooks/article/Denise-Hunter-to-Release-Final-Summer-Harbor-Story-This-Fall-Gets-Hallmark-Channel-Movies-20160818 (Unknown provenance). Who actually wrote this?
 * I can't assess https://www.journalgazette.net/features/Her-dream--in-writing-13755745 (technical issues). NoScript is reporting a cross-site scripting attempt every time I try to open the page.
 * https://wpta21.com/2019/12/18/christmas-on-her-mind-third-book-to-movie-for-fort-wayne-author/ seems borderline. Most of the information about Hunter is quoting her, but there's enough outside of the quotes to work off of.
 * I will defer to someone else's judgment on https://wpta21.com/2019/12/18/christmas-on-her-mind-third-book-to-movie-for-fort-wayne-author/ . I cannot fairly assess this source.
 * I'm not sure if http://virginiaromancewriters.com/holt-medallion/holt-medallion-past-winners/ would help for notability; I'd need to know just how well-respected the award is amongst the romance novelist industry/community.
 * https://familyfiction.com/2015-carol-award-winners-announced/ seems like it would help for notability if the Carol Award has at least regional recognition.
 * https://www.forewordreviews.com/awards/winners/2005/ is a non-sequitur. The page you want is https://www.forewordreviews.com/awards/winners/2005/religious/ instead, and it has the same issues as the Holt Award.
 * https://www.journal-advocate.com/2015/10/30/gripping-story-follows-characters-return-home/ is useless for notability (no editorial oversight). I don't see any real indication that van Dusen is a professional reviewer of any renown; being a library superintendent doesn't automatically make you capable of being a professional book reviewer in the same way that being a hospital administrator does not make you any good as a general practitioner. They're entirely separate skill sets.
 * https://bookpage.com/interviews/22095-denise-hunter-romance is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview. The lede is a book synopsis and not anything actually about Hunter.
 * https://www.wane.com/news/local-news/bestselling-romance-author-is-positively-fort-wayne/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Prose interview; other, better sources cover the non-quote material here.
 * We can't use https://www.thepilotnews.com/news/busy-moms-can-be-writers-too-small-town-romance-author-shares-writing-journey/article_ab4502c8-9000-11e9-b70c-4bf7b386ef21.html (routine coverage). This is chicken-dinner news that wouldn't be considered for notability.
 * Does this help? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 16:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It does and doesn't help. I'm including links to the various media sources in order to provide sources for the facts asserted in the article (awards, bestseller list, Hallmark channel movies, etc.) Coverage on a local, network-affiliated TV channel or local paper doesn't count simply because the person being discussed lives in the area? There's no personal connection between the author and any of these media outlets. The decision on what is notable appears to be fairly arbitrary and subjective here. A bestselling writer of over 40 books with 3 movie adaptations is not significant enough for Wikipedia inclusion??Writerspace (talk) 19:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

14:44:26, 21 July 2021 review of draft by Fasterhorses
My questions are about the "Review waiting, please be patient" box information.

1) "Reviewer tools "Warning: This page should probably be moved to the Draft namespace." Question: This appears to be something that the reviewer would do? Or do I?

2) Tagging is for "User:Fasterhorses/sandbox" Should I wait till the title is changed or how do I proceed?

fasterhorses (talk) 14:44, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , You could move it to draftspace, if you don't, the first reviewer will do it. You can add project tags at any time. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:04, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

15:18:24, 21 July 2021 review of draft by CloudCapital
Hi, would be grateful if I could get some clarification on why my draft article Draft:Antler was considered to not have been written from a neutral point of view, and what are some of the edits that I should make in order to increase my chances of getting it approved. Many thanks!

CloudCapital (talk) 15:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ever heard of the concept of promotion by over-detail? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 15:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 17:23:15, 21 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Inrup
I am not advertising the company. It is just encyclopedic information

Inrup (talk) 17:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed the coding that suppressed the display of your message. The text you wrote was a blatant advertisement. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about a company. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Please read Your first article, and if you have independent sources with significant coverage to summarize please use Articles for creation to create and submit a draft.
 * If you are associated with this company, please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

18:24:12, 21 July 2021 review of submission by Abhishekgoswami21
Abhishekgoswami21 (talk) 18:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC) it was not a promotional page more article indeed to be added with time
 * India khelo football is a Non Profit Organization totally committed toward development of football or soccer eco system in India. this platform provide best possible opportunity for young budding talent to showcase there talent at India and international stage. Try using fewer buzzwords. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

21:21:23, 21 July 2021 review of draft by LCEnriquez
hello! I recently tried to publish an article to Wiki but was rejected because of the sources I used. I gathered various sources on the company prior to creating the Wiki page and used ones that I thought were reputable and meet Wiki's criteria. I was wondering if there is anyone who can help me determine which sources are acceptable for Wiki in order to create a new article page. The following articles were articles that were initially used: “Why Ella’s Bubbles is Becoming a Household Name.” Beverly Hills Times Magazine, 2012. Sarbacker, Macy. “5 Best Walk-in Bathtubs.” Earthtechling, 2021. Linehan, John and Michelle Shugars. “Ella’s Bubbles Announces Corporate Rebranding and Website Relaunch.” Cision, 2015. Ella’s Bubbles, LLC. Better Business Bureau Blair, Jennifer. “The Best Whirlpool Bathtub.” Chicago Tribune, 2019 Smith, Nicole. “Ella’s Bubbles Walk-in Tubs Review.” Top10Reviews, 2019 Lindberg M Ed., Sara.“Best Walk-In Tubs in 2021 | Costs, Ratings, and Reviews.” health.com (Health Magazine) “16 Reasons to install an Ella’s Bubbles WIB.” Surface Bella, 2020. LCEnriquez (talk) 21:21, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Of the cited sources, only the Chicago Tribune and Health.com might help demonstrate notability. Some Wikipedians may challenge even those two. The similar source TopTenReviews has been discussed several times at WP:RSN, and some of the concerns raised about it also apply to the Chicago Tribune (which is syndicating BestReviews) and Health.com. Is Ella's Bubbles a public or private company? If public, I would except to see in-depth coverage in the reputable financial press. If private, there isn't much chance of it meeting the notability (suitability for inclusion) criteria. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

22:41:14, 21 July 2021 review of draft by Viktoriya Sa
Please let me know where and how I need to improve this article. Viktoriya Sa (talk) 22:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Viktoriya Sa (talk) 22:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Every biographical claim that could potentially be challenged for any reason what-so-ever MUST be cited to an strong, independent and in-depth source that corroborates it or (if no such sources can be found) removed wholesale. This is a HARD REQUIREMENT when writing content about living or recently-departed people on Wikipedia and is NOT NEGOTIABLE. There are literally no cites for any of his biographical details; all there are is citations to the papers he's written. Just because WP:NACADEMIC is met does not mean we can accept a biography that is otherwise utterly unsourced. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Re-pinging as I botched the first ping. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)