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= July 7 =

02:09:04, 7 July 2021 review of submission by Emilbarr
This is a new editor on the page, so I removed all traces of previous submissions and started fresh. I found over 15 qualified independent sources and carefully rewrote the page - yet it was declined and said "no changes since prior submission?". Why is this the case?

Emilbarr (talk) 02:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not exactly what was said. The reviewer said "no improvement", not no changes.  Please review the decline message in the red box. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

03:24:15, 7 July 2021 review of submission by 197.48.190.172
Independent reliable sources in the article.197.48.190.172 (talk) 03:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The draft has been rejected, and will not be considered further. I'm curious as to how you located the draft, which isn't easy to do. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The article met all criteria. --Leonleader (talk) 19:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 331dot: The subject in article is notability, and he don't need promotional. already there 9 Reliable sources independent, and all sources have an article in en.wikipedia. -102.44.106.86 (talk) 10:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a coordinated or at least mass effort to promote this actor. He does not seem to meet the relevant criteria and as such a draft about him will not be accepted at this time.  There is nothing that you can do about this.  331dot (talk) 10:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 331dot: Well, you look at the articles by intentions and guesses, and not with facts, notability and sources!! and have you see the draft now!?--102.44.106.86 (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. It was rejected and then deleted as spam, which I have done again, and also protected against recreation.  Please find another topic to write about, after learning more about the notability criteria. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The actor have article in all this Sources talk about him: Al-Wafd, Al-Masry Al-Youm , Verdens Gang , Justdial.com , Al-Dustour (Egypt)  ,  Aliqtisadi  , Akhbar el-Yom , Masrawy  ,  El Watan News .  and more! Delete this sources too if all don't have notability criteria like you say !!! - 102.44.106.86 (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sources being notable does not mean that what they write about is automatically notable. Notability is not inherited. This man needs to meet the definition of a notable actor and it seems that he doesn't.  Until he does, there is nothing more to do here. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Really? Do you believe that? Is this the real reason for rejection? Or being ali mansour attacked by one of the Steward alaa is the real reason. - Even if you accept it, he will ask delete it--102.44.106.86 (talk) 11:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what that means, but there is nothing more to do here. 331dot (talk) 11:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

12:51:14, 7 July 2021 review of submission by MichaelJms
I've added more paragraphs and headings.

MichaelJms (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

14:04:24, 7 July 2021 review of draft by 2600:1700:2160:4A70:2480:88EF:7323:B6D9
What qualifies as reliable source ?

2600:1700:2160:4A70:2480:88EF:7323:B6D9 (talk) 14:04, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:RS. TechnoTalk (talk) 15:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

17:28:21, 7 July 2021 review of draft by Loreal17
Loreal17 (talk) 17:28, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I would like to block the person that goes by the name of "TheRoadIsLong" for stopping my article creation. I just started this yesterday, and he's trying to stop this. Somebody block him. I just want to work on this article without a douchebag posting lies and hacking it. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loreal17 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * was blocked for 24 hours for making personal attacks. Curbon7 (talk) 20:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You are not allowed to remove draft declines, and Theroadislong is not attempting to get the draft deleted; edit summaries like this are completely uncalled for. Your draft is presently undersourced. Her own website is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Allmusic is useless for notability (Too sparse); a track listing isn't going to have the information we're looking for. The Chestnut Hill Local source is malformed, but acceptable. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 21:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

17:51:40, 7 July 2021 review of submission by Jonivestal
Hello friends, I have written this article because I had been wanting to share Mr. Avinash Nanda's story to the world. Maybe he hasn't accomplished much like many other hotshot directors but he is still an inspiration to people like me. I took the liberty to pull out references wherever it was needed and posted it accordingly. Also, all the information has been sourced from the internet and collated in one article. Mid-Day newspaper is a credible newspaper from Mumbai, India and some major information came from it.

So please suggest what else I can do to further improvise this article so that it becomes eligible for publication. Your guidance is appreciated.

Thanks. Jonivestal (talk) 17:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Watch this space and refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode's top table. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We can't use https://odishabytes.com/silver-gandhi-movie-wins-first-prize-in-srfa-cannes-film-fest/ (Unknown provenance). Who wrote this?
 * We can't use https://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/bollywood-news/article/akshay-kumar-starrer-bachchan-pandey-to-release-on-jan-26-next-year-23156816?infinite-scroll=1 (unknown provenance). "This story has been sourced from a third party syndicated feed, agencies. Mid-day accepts no responsibility or liability for its dependability, trustworthiness, reliability and data of the text." It goes without saying that while something Mid-Day's journalists wrote is fine, anything they've republished from another source (which exactly hasn't been disclosed) isn't subject to anywhere near the same standards.
 * We can't use https://www.filmibeat.com/bollywood/movies/life-reboot-nahi-hoti.html (Too sparse). A listing on a film catalogue does not help for notability.
 * We can't use http://incredibleorissa.com/oriyafilms/avinash-nanda-ad-film-maker-hindi-movie-director-rangdari/ (Unknown provenance). Who wrote this?
 * We can't use https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/movie-details/two-desires-and-a-dream/movieshow/61302498.cms (Too sparse). Effectively a film catalogue.
 * We can't use https://www.orissapost.com/biopic-on-odishassilver-gandhi-soon/ (Unknown provenance). Who wrote this?
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhubaneswar/two-desires-and-a-dream/articleshow/56000326.cms is useless for notability (Too sparse). Name-drop.
 * I cannot assess the OdishaNewsTimes source (Technical barrier). I get booted to a page which seems to be some form of DDoS mitigation or a 404.
 * We can't use http://cinemaniacs.co.in/biopic-on-odishas-silver-gandhi-soon/ (Unknown provenance). Who wrote this?
 * I'm sceptical of https://mycitylinks.in/two-films-by-avinash-nanda-strike-gold-at-dada-saheb-phalke-film-festival/ owing to its hagiographical tone.
 * https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/odisha/2012/may/04/about-rangdari-364625.html is useless for notability (Connexion to subject). Interview; the lede is merely a passing mention.
 * We can't use https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9483182/ or https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13798392/ (Deprecated). IMDb is an open wiki and thus not an acceptable source, with several discussions over the years agreeing it's not an acceptable source.
 * https://nisff.in/winner-list-2019/ doesn't help for notability (Too sparse). Being an award finalist doesn't come close to helping support notability unless the award in question is incredibly prestigious (think Nobels or Pulitzer).
 * I'm sceptical of how useful https://newyorkinternationalfilmawards.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/03/WINNERS-NYIFA-February-2021.pdf and https://onirosfilmawards.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/03/WINNERS-OFANY-February-2021.pdf and http://www.eeimovieawards.com/pdfs/6th%20Month%20Award%20Winners.pdf are as sources because I'm not sure of the prestige of these monthly awards.
 * https://europefilmfestival.com/jury-special-awards-2021-2/ is useless for notability (Too sparse). Film festival awards mean little for notability, since they're limited to whatever films aired at that particular incarnation of the festival (and film festivals are hardly exclusive). Ditto https://www.hffestival.com/halicarnassus-film-festival-session-7/
 * Any questions? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The OdishaNewsTimes source loads for me – it is a very short (four sentences) notice, quite possibly a press release, about the upcoming release of the film Two Desires and a Dream. It only mentions Nanda's name in passing and does not support the information about the film in the article. In fact, I just realised that it contradicts the info about the release – the draft says 2016, the source says 2017 (or, rather, it says "on Friday", but it was published in 2017). --bonadea contributions talk 16:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

19:27:30, 7 July 2021 review of draft by Emily19911991
Hi, how many sources should I roughly be looking to aim for to cover the article before the person is considered to have a decent amount of coverage? When I compare my article to the articles Kate Shemirani and Mark Steele, my article only has a half a dozen fewer sources, but the former only came out of the woodwork during the pandemic, which is also the case with Darren Nesbit (although he was known in the fringe circle of those who think the Earth is flat).

I do believe that an article about Nesbit is important because he's notorious for spreading conspiracy theories and other misinformation about Covid-19 in recent times.

I don't want to submit for the article to be reviewed again until I know that the subject has got enough coverage using sources. Can anyone help me please?

Emily19911991 (talk) 19:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In general, we look for three sources that are reliable, independent (no interviews, press relases or "sponsored" articles) and discuss the subject in some detail. See also WP:RSP for a list of sources that have been commonly discussed, and Deprecated sources for a list of sources that are considered deprecated on Wikipedia and therefore must not be used, as well as Common sourcing mistakes (notability) Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Victor Schmidt. He's had lots of coerage with regard to his nonsense about the Earth being flat, should I focus on that aspect of him? What part of the draft needs to be improved do you think?--Emily19911991 (talk) 21:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

19:59:44, 7 July 2021 review of submission by Rheta10
Rheta10 (talk) 19:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for all the help thus far. I would like to know if this page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Lessard_Bissonette

is ready to link to another page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Maine_suffragists#Suffragists

Where the name Camille Lessard Bissonnette appears.

The page that is linked at present is not the above page which I would like to have linked.

Any assistance is appreciated. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rheta10 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm confused, which page is the link you want supposed to be on, Camille Lessard Bissonette or List of Maine suffragists. Curbon7 (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The lead page is List of Maine Suffragist which would link to Camille Lessard Bissonnette. I think it is ok now... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rheta10 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

21:41:15, 7 July 2021 review of submission by هيثم ناشر
هيثم ناشر (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , All submissions to the English Wikipedia must be in English. As the reviewers suggested, your submission may be more appropriate for the Arabic Wikipedia.
 * Google translate:
 * يجب أن تكون جميع الطلبات المقدمة إلى ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية باللغة الإنجليزية. كما اقترح المراجعون ، قد يكون إرسالك أكثر ملاءمة لـ ويكيبيديا العربية. Curbon7 (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * يجب أن تكون جميع الطلبات المقدمة إلى ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية باللغة الإنجليزية. كما اقترح المراجعون ، قد يكون إرسالك أكثر ملاءمة لـ ويكيبيديا العربية. Curbon7 (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * يجب أن تكون جميع الطلبات المقدمة إلى ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية باللغة الإنجليزية. كما اقترح المراجعون ، قد يكون إرسالك أكثر ملاءمة لـ ويكيبيديا العربية. Curbon7 (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

22:45:34, 7 July 2021 review of submission by Plicabelles
Hi! I believe the article has cited major Macedonian news sources, like: https://macedoniatimes.news/stafan-markovski-stories-book-english/ https://www.slobodenpecat.mk/en/objavena-knigata-hiperbog-od-stefan-markovski/ https://mia.mk/stefan-markovski-s-poetry-published-in-international-anthology/?lang=en https://www.slobodenpecat.mk/en/objavena-knigata-potenczijalite-na-zhanrot-krimi-drama-preku-sczenarioto-za-igran-film-se-vikam-sloboda-od-stefan-markovski/ https://sitel.com.mk/knizhevni-nastapi-na-stefan-markovski-vo-shpanija https://makfax.com.mk/kultura/фауст-го-трча-плебејскиот-круг-од-с/ https://opserver.mk/kultura/eretichki-pisma-na-stefan-markovski-objaven-na-angliski-jazik/ https://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/zivot/kultura/стефан-марковски-на-книжевна-резиден/ https://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/tag/стефан-марковски/ There are hundreds of news articles on Markovski's literary works, mostly in Cyrillic, including ones in Bulgarian: http://evropaworld.eu/nosht-na-literaturata-sofiya-2019/ https://noshtnaliteraturata.com/book/eretichni-pisma-ili-namirajki-nebesata-koito-sijajat-v-cherveno/ https://www.geomedia.bg/zabavno/item/7529-нощ-на-литературата

Plicabelles (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)