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= July 9 =

03:48:03, 9 July 2021 review of draft by Elshitaq
I create a good article for a businessman I wrote a profile about the person that includes basic information I also mentioned his professional career and all the positions and memberships he has gone through to this day. I also cited various realistic sources Unfortunately, I was rejected because the memberships must be prose with chronology Then he went and tried to apply it Currently, I am waiting for the review and I hope the result will be positive Ask for help to make the page approved Elshitaq (talk) 03:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

04:14:50, 9 July 2021 review of submission by KennyOfHrub
KennyOfHrub (talk) 04:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , this draft has already been rejected. Rejection means we will not take another look at it. Even if we did, there's no doubt in my mind that it would probably be outright rejected again. All of the stuff you added is either (1) not supported by reliable sources, (2) written in a non-neutral manner, or (3) is non-notable, or a combination of the three.
 * After looking through your contribs, you really really really need to take a look at our policies on reliable sourcing and our manual of style for formatting and content. Curbon7 (talk) 04:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering the history here and the wording I would seriously debate G10ing this. There's been a history of trying to create Wikipedia pages to harass him. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering the history here and the wording I would seriously debate G10ing this. There's been a history of trying to create Wikipedia pages to harass him. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

06:14:12, 9 July 2021 review of submission by John Wilson baki

 * If you remove the speedy tag I will drag it to WP:Articles for deletion. You move it to mainspace, you accept all consequences for doing so, including the article being deleted if it is not up to par. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

07:12:24, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Digby baird
All info on the draft is found in the links Digby baird (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have anything approaching acceptable sources that can help prove notability. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have anything approaching acceptable sources that can help prove notability. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Both sources are true digbygames.com The website that the draft about clearly shows 13 games. and web.archive.org/web/*/https://digbygames.com is a popular website used to save videos photos and websites of what they look like whenever the person saved it.

and web.archive.org/web/*/https://digbygames.com has links to all the saves through time and shows proof of all of the changes so I'm not sure why they wouldn't be true. ps I give up I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. The sources might not be from articles or lists but they are verifiable. Digby baird (talk) 07:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * They don't help prove notability because they're not reliable sources due to being connected to digbygames.com themselves. "Verifiable" is not the only criterion we use when assessing sources; we're also looking to see that they discuss the subject in depth, have professional editorial oversight that fact-checks, and have no direct connexion to the subject (i.e. the subject didn't dictate the content). —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 08:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

09:41:53, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Vfmmm3d
Vfmmm3d (talk) 09:41, 9 July 2021 (UTC) Why article is declined. I have posted as per Wikipedia rules.
 * Please review the message left by the reviewer as to why the draft was declined. You have not demonstrated that this company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The sources you have offered are not appropriate for establishing notability.  Please review Your First Article. If you work for this company, please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode's top table:


 * https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/business-wire/vinformax-introduces-world-leading-curriculumbased-stereoscopic-3d-in-medical-education-and-virtual-reality-facility-in-bengaluru/article9295647.ece is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Press release, which by definition is either written or commissioned by the company.
 * We can't use http://www.pics4news.com/events/39082/Vinformax_Dimensions_Technology_Facilities_Launched_at_Nagarbhavi.html (too sparse, non sequitur). Photo gallery.
 * We can't use https://www.siliconindia.com/vendor/vinformax-dimensions-technology-up-the-ante-in-medical-learning-cid-3453.html (unknown provenance). Who wrote this?
 * We can't use https://medicaldialogues.in/news/education/medical-universities/rguhs-offers-learning-app-for-medical-students-amid-coronavirus-lockdown-64893 (unknown provenance). Role byline. Who actually wrote this?
 * https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2020/06/27/startups-redefine-online-medical-education-during-covid-crisis.html is useless for notability (too sparse). A single two-sentence paragraph isn't enough to be usable as a source.
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/telangana-medical-students-secure-free-access-to-curriculum-based-app/articleshow/77069607.cms is fine.
 * https://www.deccanherald.com/metrolife/metrolife-your-bond-with-bengaluru/filmmaker-launches-drive-to-curb-violence-against-docs-1003778.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Interview with subject's principal which barely even discusses MediMagic.
 * Your sources are almost all completely unusable. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 09:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

09:43:33, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Sultana Anya
I got a notes that says my page got rejected and I am not sure how to fix this issue and I worked really hard on that page. :( Can you tell me what I can do to fix that?

Sultana Anya (talk) 09:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. You have not offered any sources demonstrating that this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable singer.  Some of the sources you have offered do not seem to exist at all, or do not mention the person at all.  Please understand that successfully writing a new article is probably the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, and not everyone is successful at it.  Please review Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 11:03:20, 9 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by BaileyAcadmey
Hello! My name is Bailey. I wanted to request assistance concerning a Draft article I edited and submitted for review. I have been editing different articles all morning and I came across a draft for the Photographer, Oghalé Alex Ogbaudu. I noticed it had been declined because it may have been written by himself. I saw that he specified this conflict of interest so I decided to look into him further. I found that the articles sourced were genuine and notable. The National Portrait Gallery is a prestigious honour here in the UK. SO I decided to look through the other sources and all of them seemed to corroborate the article. I felt satisfied that this was a page worthy of publication. However, a few users who reviewed the submissions somewhat attacked me for standing up for what I felt was a genuine page of interest as evidenced by the articles and sources. I have come across a few new draft pages and many do not have sources or information which corroborates what is said. However, when reading the article, I felt the tone of its writing actually matched what was written in the articles.

I would like this draft to be fairly reviewed given the sources and published as I believe it is credible.

BaileyAcadmey (talk) 11:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm curious as to how you came across this draft; it isn't easy to find a draft unless you are looking for it. Please specify the "attacks" against you which I'm not finding. You have submitted the draft for review and it is pending. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

BaileyAcadmey (talk) I have been looking through Wikipedia for articles to edit and I came across a page for Nadine Ijewere among others that I have edited today. I accidentally closed the tab belonging to Nadine and I couldn't remember the spelling properly. In a private window in Chrome there is no history stored so I began searching for words that I remembered within the article. It turns out similar wordings were used in Oghalé's page which is not surprising because both Nadine and Oghalé are photographers within the same industry. I have a genuine interest in photographers within the UK so I started to read and look at the sources. While I started to read Oghale's page, that is when I noticed it was only a draft but within the draft, I felt the sources were credible. That is how I came across the page.BaileyAcadmey (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 12:11:42, 9 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Positiveilluminati
Hi I think the reviewer was not fair because this subject co stars being on same kind shows are notable enough for a article but the reviewer made a very strong statement that “reality tv participants aren’t notable” pls look into this.

Positiveilluminati (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a specific definition of a notable person, and participation in a reality TV show is not one of the listed criteria. This is why the reviewer made such a strong statement. 331dot (talk) 12:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Then how do you explain this? Baseer Ali They have done one show the same and same network and productions so how do other mtv artist qualify? Positiveilluminati (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that the whole URL is unnecessary, I have fixed your link to a proper internal link. I have no explanation for every other similar article on Wikipedia, because each article is judged on its own merits. See other stuff exists.  It could be that the article you cite is also inappropriate(though that person won their reality show and were not merely a participant, so they may have more coverage about them).  It is possible to get inappropriate content by us, this does not mean that other inapprpriate content is allowed too. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

14:56:51, 9 July 2021 review of draft by Lubov L
The Wikipedia page I have submitted has been declined, as there appears to be a duplicate. I would like to delete the first draft for Aram Mnatskanov in order to resubmit this one.

Lubov L (talk) 14:56, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy deletion request submitted at other article. TechnoTalk (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

16:15:04, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Kstenson86
Made additional changes to the page and added several new citations references. Now i want the changes to be verified and remove the template message that is on the top of the wiki-page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_L._Greene

Kstenson86 (talk) 16:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Article has been cleaned up and moved to mainspace. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

16:38:57, 9 July 2021 review of submission by 99CeeCee
I work for the San Diego Community College District and I am trying to create a Wikipedia article for our new chancellor. I don't understand why the page has not been approved. The information on this page is bio information we have gathered from our new Chancellor Dr. Carlos O. Turner Cortez. His bio information can be found here: https://www.sdccd.edu/about/leadership/chancellor/index.aspx

Our previous Chancellor Dr. Constance M. Carroll has a Wikipedia page. I believe that have a Wikipedia article on our chancellor is a very important representation for our District. I would appreciate details on how to create an article that meets Wikipedia standards. This is not self promotion, but information for the public about a public figure. Thank you for your consideration, Charlene Cook You can see on our website that I'm the Digital Communications Specialist for the San Diego Community College District https://www.sdccd.edu/about/departments-and-offices/communications-and-public-relations/media-contacts.aspx

99CeeCee (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Deleted for G12 copyright infringement. Please don't cut and paste content form other sites. And also see WP:OTHERSTUFF to see why an article has to stand on its own merits. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

17:23:08, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Helpo786
Helpo786 (talk) 17:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

17:23:08, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Helpo786


 * Deleted for G12 copyright infringement. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

18:44:11, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Ourbag
Apart from the notable work of the film director, his independent book publishing note is added. The sources cited are worthy as these sources are leading regional newspapers with a readership of 2.2 Mn people. Notable newspapers like Anandabazar Patrika, Times of India has been quoted.

Requesting revision of the same. In case, the same is rejected, I can cite multiple examples in Wikipedia of the same genre which has less citations and maybe oversees violations of policies (afterall, it is human judgement) and prone to mis!

Ourbag (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

20:24:25, 9 July 2021 review of draft by 102.44.106.86
The subject in article is notability, and he don't need promotional. already there 9 Reliable sources independent, and all sources have an article in en.wikipedia. 102.44.106.86 (talk) 20:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

20:50:10, 9 July 2021 review of submission by Vivliela
Vivliela (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2021 (UTC) I am in need of any assistance. This is my first article of creation. If anyone would like to help me make my work more “professional” and “proper” for Wikipedia, I’d be more than happy. Any tips on making my work better would be great. Also, I’d like any tips or help to be as explicit and simple as possible. If possible, I’d like my original work to still be there so just some changes to still have my original work but added on advice would be fantastic being that in the past someone edited my work and none of the original content was left. Thank You.


 * @Vivliela patently this draft has been rejected. The reviewer who rejected it has told you why that is so. For the future, there are many essays, of which this is one, that help you with the process of article creation.
 * When you submit any words to Wikipedia you agree to our Terms of Use and agree to irrevocably release your text under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and GFDL. This means you lose 100% of any control you had until the ping of submission. Your original words may remain for decades or may be edited away almost at once. The trick is not to mind. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 21:02:39, 9 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Nicole0305
Hello. I can't understand the decision of declining the article. The first source is a podcast, where she talks herself about her life, so it's a good source. The 2nd source has a "About-Us" page, there you see, that their informations are legit and verifiable from reliable sources and you can also see, that the informations came from a journalist. The 3rd source is the award page itself about their own award. The 4th source has also an "About Us" page and is this the problem source for you? If this is too much marketing for you, then I can delete the sentence and the source, but it's a part of her biography anyway. And every other source, what I would choose, would be the same, because it's a commercial part of her biography. And the 5th source is very good, because it's a registered charity and a leading cultural organisation for canadian actors and actresses. Additionally you have many Wikipedia articles, where her name is not be linked, because she hasn't her own wikipedia page. So why is the majority of work non-notable? See the wikipedia articles about Jupiter's Legacy, Ginny & Georgia (very long on Top 1 of all Netflix series), Trapped: The Alex Cooper Story, Utopia Falls and In The Dark. All series and her name are on the wikipedia articles, but she is not linked. So why is her work non-notable? And why is it a promo article? It's her biography. If you think it, because she is the PHILLY Angel, then I can delete the sentence, but it's a part of her biography anyway and so I can't understand this decision, for me personally, it's a very critical decision. Please help me, what I have to change? Thank you.

Nicole0305 (talk) 21:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * @Nicole0305 For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * The first source is a podcast where she speaks. This is not a useful resource. We record what other people have said about the subject of the article, not what they say. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:08, 9 July 2021 (UTC)