Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 June 15

= June 15 =

07:46:43, 15 June 2021 review of submission by McFrase
McFrase (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

08:55:22, 15 June 2021 review of submission by Pranmohan2322
Pranmohan2322 (talk) 08:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

09:11:42, 15 June 2021 review of submission by Pranmohan2322
Pranmohan2322 (talk) 09:11, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * May I refer my honourable friend to the answer above. Theroadislong (talk) 09:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

10:39:35, 15 June 2021 review of draft by ShravanthiRK
ShravanthiRK (talk) 10:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Upon multiple rejections of my submission Draft:Padma_Rao_Sundarji, I have gone through the guidelines over and over to understand the process and avoid any mistakes. I have now made some major changes to the quoted sources as well as the draft. Requesting expert opinion & guidance to point out if I have missed anything please. Anything that needs correction or removal or addition? Please help! Thanks in advance :) ShravanthiRK (talk) 10:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

11:43:01, 15 June 2021 review of submission by Columbidae5
Columbidae5 (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

12:12:10, 15 June 2021 review of submission by IvoryBarcelona
Hi, I am not sure why I cannot publish the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Oscar_Foronda. Is there anything I am doing wrong. I am new to WIKI and not familiar with source editing or publishing. Thank you for your help. IvoryBarcelona (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For a living person we have a high standar of referencing, because we are not interesred in a rerun of the Seigethaler incident: Every statement that is liekly controversial or might be challenged must be accompied by an inline citation veryfing that fact. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

12:56:23, 15 June 2021 review of submission by McFrase
I would like this article to be reviewed because;

This is my first article and I hope to contribute going forward as I love to write in my spare time.

I am writing for a man I know has impacted many lives, which I myself am a beneficiary of his philanthropical activities.

So, I would be glad if my request for this article to be published as my little token of appreciation for his good works.

Cheers to the future.

McFrase (talk) 12:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

13:16:09, 15 June 2021 review of submission by DouglasMackenzie
Rob Morgan is an internationally famous bass player for the band owl city who's constantly being mistaken in online articles for an actor of the same name and another musician of the same name, I head up one of his fan clubs and we think he needs his own wiki page so we can post updated information and can better edit the Owl City and Breanne Dürren wiki pages. User:scope creep simply said it's not notable enough for Wikipedia, which is simply not true.

DouglasMackenzie (talk) 13:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. Those articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about(in this case) a musician, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. The sources you have provided do not seem to have the significant coverage needed, and as such the reviewer rejected the draft, meaning it will not be considered further. If he is notable for his work with the band, he would not merit a standalone article. 331dot (talk) 13:44, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

14:24:05, 15 June 2021 review of submission by 2402:3A80:1826:96BC:0:A:CB87:1601
2402:3A80:1826:96BC:0:A:CB87:1601 (talk) 14:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

14:35:20, 15 June 2021 review of draft by Ram 90
Ram 90 (talk) 14:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Why I created my page is not publishing
 * Please see the draft for the messages from reviewers, explaining why it was not accepted. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, advertising of anyone or anything in any form is unacceptable on Wikipedia. I went through that draft, and it reads to me like a poorly written advertisement.  Java Hurricane  07:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

14:51:20, 15 June 2021 review of submission by PriyaKE
PriyaKE (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Request on 15:04:03, 15 June 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by RepulsiveRow82
Hi. I’d like a suggestion. May I know what other types of references are required for publishing? In the current draft, I cited Deadline, the New York Times, and a feature profile from Spectrum news. Most of Andre’s films, including The One and Only Dick Gregory, which he wrote and directed, are already published on Wikipedia.

RepulsiveRow82 (talk) 15:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @RepulsiveRow82 I have left a comment on the draft that has direct relevance to your question. Things written by him though are a different matter.
 * Let me try to explain. If they manufactured vacuum cleaners, the cleaners would be their work. A vacuum cleaner could not be a reference for them, simply because it is the product they make. So it is with research, writings, etc. However, a review of their work by others tends to be a review of them and their methods, so is a reference. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 16:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

15:24:44, 15 June 2021 review of submission by Shassafrass
Shassafrass (talk) 15:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

I am concerned about this second rejection, as I have seen multiple examples of active wikipedia pages on artists, musicians and designers that contain much less information and fewer external references.

I feel that the standard of notoriety is inconsistent, and I would like some explanation of how these determinations are made.

Thank you.
 * Please see other poor quality articles exist for that argument, having said that your draft says "work is in the permanent collections of the Museum of Contemporary Art in Denver, the Denver Art Museum, the Butler Library of Rare Books and Manuscripts at Columbia University, the Tweed Museum of Art at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, the Western New York Book Art Collaborative] (WNYBAC); and Columbia College's Center for the Book in Chicago." which would indicate to me that the person is probably notable? Theroadislong (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

15:55:09, 15 June 2021 review of submission by AliAbbasiqaz
College_of_Allamah_Majlesi needs a page to be editable by others. Please help on this. AliAbbasiqaz (talk) 15:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @AliAbbasiqaz Please explain why it needs a page to be editable by others? All you have created is an advert  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 16:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

16:35:10, 15 June 2021 review of draft by Simon Christophers
Hi there - loking to get some advice on having my daft:david taborn page published. many thanks, Simon Simon Christophers (talk) 16:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

16:37:10, 15 June 2021 review of submission by Simon Christophers
Hi please assist with submission with view to publication - thanks Simon Christophers (talk) 16:37, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

20:02:51, 15 June 2021 review of draft by Katzch
I have added citations to several major print magazines including Alternative Press, Metal Hammer, and Rock Sound. I have also added web article citations to Kerrang!, Alternative Press, as well as an iHeart media podcast. Are these publications considered noteworthy?

The band has over 2.5 million streams to this point on Spotify, and there are over 2 million plays of their videos on YouTube.

They will be performing at both the 2021 and 2022 Download Festivals in the UK.

Any further guidance as to what would make the band more noteworthy would be appreciated.

Thanks for your help!

Katzch (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Those sources are not acceptable for establishing notability. A Wikipedia article about a band must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the band, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable band. Streams and views are not part of the notability criteria, as they are gamed or misunderstood(perhaps the 2 million YouTube views was 500,000 each watching it 4 times each, or 250,000 watching it 8 times each, etc.). 331dot (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

I understand about streams.

I guess I'm still confused on point #1 on the Notability (music) page.

It states: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself."

The band I wrote the article for has been featured by Kerrang! four times completely independently of the band, they have been featured in a print issue of Alternative Press independent of the band, and Alternative Press has featured them at least three times on their website. I would say that Kerrang! and Alternative Press are fairly large music publications for the alternative rock genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katzch (talk • contribs) 20:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , see WP:SIGCOV and WP:RS, for starters.  Java Hurricane  07:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

21:25:40, 15 June 2021 review of submission by Orujsharifli
Orujsharifli (talk) 21:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. No sources, no article, no debate. Wikipedia has little tolerance for autobiographies. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 21:52, 15 June 2021 (UTC)