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= March 11 =

01:45:43, 11 March 2021 review of draft by Tekellypstcc
Im trying to make enough edits so that my page can be excepted

Tekellypstcc (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Instead of trying please succeed. Do not, please, submit test edits for review Fiddle   Faddle  08:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

03:05:24, 11 March 2021 review of submission by I-Spin-for-health
Hi, so I have a question. Is it possible for us to put a claim to a name for the wikipedia page that I am about to post?

I-Spin-for-health (talk) 03:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , no Fiddle   Faddle  08:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

03:25:32, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Supthenext
Supthenext (talk) 03:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , they are insufficiently notable, the draft has been rejected and will not be considered further Fiddle   Faddle  08:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

04:50:41, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Cakeybuns
I feel wehoopin is big enough for his own wiki, also if its just you need me to write more i will do so

Cakeybuns (talk) 04:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm afraid you are mistaken. Please read WP:BIO Fiddle   Faddle  08:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

05:39:20, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Xander flex
I am failing to understand how Souder is not notable enough. There are a multitude of articles covering his life and work, he is a well-published artist whose artwork is still sold and collected today (by people such as jay leno), he was the recipient of multiple community awards, there is a memorial in his name, his death was formally honored by a government body. How do these things not pass the "notability" guideline..? I have 20+ citations in the article that confirm all of these things.

Xander flex (talk) 05:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your first port of call for discussion is who rejected it.  Fiddle   Faddle  08:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Community awards" rarely confer notability(as Wikipedia defines it for artists) as anyone can give out an "award". Unless those awards merit articles themselves(like an Oscar or Tony or Grammy) they usually aren't notable. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok...and what about all of the other things? The awards are simply one example of the many times he was the subject of articles and praise. How many people have their death honored with a resolution passed by public officials? non-notable people? How many articles does he need to be the subject of to be considered "notable"? I am surprised that all of the provided publications do not make obvious that he carried a fair degree of fame and notability.

15:17:54, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Cancersign
I have nothing to do with the subject of the article.This is my first article, so every time I ask you for guidance.But you rejected my article using rude and difficult language, I had no such hope from the members of Wikipedia.I only asked you for guidance in the question, how can we improve this article?

Cancersign (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , your draft has been deleted (apparently the author blanked it itself) so the only way to improve the article is by creating a new one. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

16:24:09, 11 March 2021 review of submission by MrWanderer321
I have adhered to and made changes as pointed out by reviewers but still can't get this up. Help, please. MrWanderer321 (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further, and no amount of editing can change that. To be frank, you will only be wasting your time and that of others if you pursue this further at this time. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

19:27:26, 11 March 2021 review of draft by Bigbirdboy
Hello and thank you for your attention.

My submission was declined for the following reason:

"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

My question would be, is one source referenced from an independent secondary enough? Is that one reference source enough? or do I need more than one publication from secondary sources?

Thank you

Bigbirdboy (talk) 19:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * see WP:THREE. Three indenpendent, reliable sources is often regarded as the bare minimum, more is always better, also with regards to WP:BLP. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

20:43:53, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Miaminsurance
Miaminsurance (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I created a page for iMerit but the main title has it IMerit. Not sure how to make that change.

21:49:37, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Or-Kitt
Hi, I'm trying to fix up an article on Canadian artist Zinnia Naqvi, but I'm having difficulty with the "notability" of this artist. She's an award-winning artist and pretty notable in Canada — she has an award from the National Gallery of Canada (biggest arts institution in the country), she's exhibited nationally and internationally, I've included citations on her work in Canadian Art magazine (best-selling arts periodical here) and an interview on her work on Global News (one of our national news networks). I'm not using any sources that I think are questionable (eg. her artist's website), and I really just don't know what to add at this point! Any suggestions are appreciated.

--Or-Kitt (talk) 21:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Or-Kitt (talk) 21:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Pharmaceutical Association of Mauritius - P.A.M
Hello, I just wanted to know if I shall have to resubmit the article which I wrote on 'Pharmaceutical Association of Mauritius -P.A.M' on the 27th March, 2014, and subsequently edited to include verifiable sources. This is a page which I want to link to the [| list of pharmacy associations] for the Republic of Mauritius.

Thank you for your attention!

Alain Sheratan Alshera (talk) 22:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to return. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle   Faddle  08:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * @Timtrent Lol, you replied. I had moved this from the redirect so this archives correctly, and should maybe have marked this as such. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 23:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , hahahah I never noticed the date. I'm a good boy. I reply Fiddle   Faddle  23:13, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

22:14:34, 11 March 2021 review of submission by Puhoaosb
Hi there :)

Slightly confused as to the comment I received and if I could please receive any insight:

Reviewer: "This is an entry on the List of massacres committed during the Eritrean War of Independence, and as can be seen on that list, none of the others have a standalone article. However, an article about the village itself, if official sources can be found, would be acceptable."

I was wondering why a separate article of the village is required in order to also discuss the massacre? The articles on the list do not have a standalone articles but frankly should, therefore I am not sure how this is a reason. There are standalone articles of massacres which took place in the US, for example.

Agreed that an article on the village itself would be ideal and will work to build one soon - but the comment regarding the need for 'significant coverage' does ignore the context/time of which this massacre took place. This article is an attempt to contribute to knowledge, which so far exists mostly through oral history. If the goal of Wikipedia is to disseminate knowledge effectively, the obstruction of said knowledge due to a lack of what is deemed as 'coverage' seems almost counterproductive.

Even then, building an article on the village itself would consist of few sources anyway. Any specific advice would be helpful please going forward.

Puhoaosb (talk) 22:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am afraid that thsi draft also looks like a memorial. While that is laudable it is not a thing for Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOTMEMORIAL. For me this suggests your list of victims is out of scope for us here.
 * In real terms you have only two references. One is duplicated. I think it likely that three solid references (WP:42 is a good  guide), potentially more, that the draft sans list of victims wil stand a far better chance of acceptance  Fiddle   Faddle  22:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * In real terms you have only two references. One is duplicated. I think it likely that three solid references (WP:42 is a good  guide), potentially more, that the draft sans list of victims wil stand a far better chance of acceptance  Fiddle   Faddle  22:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

18:17:21, 14 March 2021 review of submission by Puhoaosb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puhoaosb (talk • contribs)

Thank you for the specific advice. I can remove the list of victims but there are no other published sources, as stated the information is only recorded through oral history.

23:02:11, 11 March 2021 review of draft by Duduzh
Are the sources that I added to Draft:Hsiao-ting Lin not reliable sources? When should I resubmit the draft?

Duduzh (talk) 23:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Please consider your sourcing. It is not useful. WP:42 summarises what is useful.
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle   Faddle  23:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your links say that "primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia" and "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts". The sources that I used from the Hoover Institution and Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars are being used for straightforward statements of facts and are not being used for interpretation. Every sentence in the draft has a reference. What am I missing here? Duduzh (talk) 23:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If university sources are not allowed for scholars, then that is a pity. Newspapers do not write many articles about researchers unless they are quite exceptional. Duduzh (talk) 23:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , You are missing WP:NACADEMIC Fiddle   Faddle  23:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Primary sources may be used for content about a notable subject, but they by themselves cannot be used to establish the subject's notability. -- Kinu t/c 19:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Primary sources may be used for content about a notable subject, but they by themselves cannot be used to establish the subject's notability. -- Kinu t/c 19:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)