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= May 31 =

03:47:03, 31 May 2021 review of draft by Emat20211

 * You are not asking a question, but if you are requesting a review of the draft, you have already done that by submitting the draft for review. Please stop posting to user talk pages and help/discussion pages such as this one asking for a review. (See also my response to you on my user talk page.) Regards --bonadea contributions talk 05:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

07:13:49, 31 May 2021 review of draft by Vdpankajjain
Vdpankajjain (talk) 07:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

07:16:51, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Jyotsanaj03
I have stated all the information. Provided all the references and i strongly believe that this article should be published. Please suggest what needs to be edited here so that you make sure the article gets published after that. Jyotsanaj03 (talk) 07:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft has been declined 6 times and rejected twice, it will not be considered further please drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. Theroadislong (talk) 08:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Nominated for deletion due to the history, including immediate resubmission after decline with no further improvements made and removing declines. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 08:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

09:28:51, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Dogmusic45
Dogmusic45 (talk) 09:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If you have a question, please add it to this section. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

10:22:57, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Muhamamd saeed meo
Dear team i make a page Muhamamd Saeed Meo that is deleted but i m confuse why this page is not approved. regards

Muhamamd saeed meo (talk) 10:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves or post their resume. Wikipedia is a place to summarize what others say about you, not what you want to say about yourself. Please review the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

11:52:27, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Gastion1
I'm told that: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." However,I have included 20 references which include UK national newspapers, UK regional newspapers, and numerous articles from reputable foreign newspapers and magazines, plus some pieces in industry specific magazines relevant to the history of the subject of my page. I am baffled with regard to what more I am required to do, or where I am going wrong. If you could give me some clarification I would really appreciate it.

Gastion1 (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason for the last decline was that the citations you have provided are not in-line as required. Please review referencing for beginners to learn about how to format and place citations. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

12:08:03, 31 May 2021 review of draft by 71.187.40.39
My submission was declined because it "reads more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia," "needs to be written from a neutral point of view," and should refer to "independent, reliable, published sources." As far as I can tell, it is written from a neutral point of view and does refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources." Can you please tell me what specifically does not appear to be written from a neutral point of view and what specific sources need to be removed and/or replaced? Many thanks for your help.

71.187.40.39 (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue here is that the draft just tells about Mr. Burger and what he does. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about him, showing how he meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. It isn't enough to just tell us(for example) that he has interviewed notable people(as notability is not inherited by association), but if those interviews were significant in some way, or others have written about his skill as an interviewer, something like that. 331dot (talk) 12:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

12:19:51, 31 May 2021 review of draft by Shirish121067
Shirish121067 (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question. Please edit this section to add your question. 331dot (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

13:29:45, 31 May 2021 review of submission by 2402:3A80:1823:6117:0:15:37F9:3301
2402:3A80:1823:6117:0:15:37F9:3301 (talk) 13:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. No sources, no article, no debate. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 19:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

13:39:15, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Saarif Farooqui
Saarif Farooqui (talk) 13:39, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. While human settlements are generally considered to be notable, you need to provide at least one good source that indicates the place exists to begin with. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 19:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

14:01:29, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Emat20211
Hi, could you check Draft: Ezequiel Matthysse and create it as a wikipedia article? Thanks for your help! Emat20211 (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)Emat20211
 * You have submitted it and it is pending. It will likely be some time, you will need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 14:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

14:42:34, 31 May 2021 review of draft by 217.149.171.75
Everything stated in this article is sourced! I know there is only one source, but he is long dead and it is just not possible to find more about him. However, his name is attached to an important equation in mathematical physics and people should at least be able to find out some basic information about him in this context (at least this was my motivation for creating this page). He exists on WP in six other languages (arz,es,fr,pl,pt,ru) demonstrating that other WP projects consider the present information sufficiently sourced! I tried to talk to the admin denying this page, however, to no avail. There are several similar requests on the users's talk page but this user does not seem to reply to other users questions. So does this mean my work was in vain? Mathuvw (talk) 14:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * What other Wikipedia projects think is irrelevant - they have different standards from en.wp (which is on the stricter side in re notability and sourcing) and each other because they are all different communities. Have you even attempted to look at offline sources (i.e. scholarly books)? We accept dead-tree sources, if cited properly, and if he predates the rise of the Internet you're far more likely to find sources in print media rather than online, especially on books that cover the history of his field of expertise. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 19:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Request on 14:44:57, 31 May 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Ivan Smiljkovic
Hello! Thanks in advance for your help.

I've created a draft article for Slim PDF Reader and it was not accepted due to not showing significant coverage about the subject.

I do understand the principle of notability, but at the same time, coverage received by some of the most influential tech websites seemed good enough, especially when comparing entries from the same category (PDF freeware software).

What could I improve before resubmitting? Could you give me any example of the significant coverage → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software#Viewers ← for the proprietary, freeware entries so I could understand what is needed for the article to pass the notability test?

All the best, Ivan Smiljkovic

Ivan Smiljkovic (talk) 14:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

15:22:18, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Coffeefan79
Hello there, thank you for reviewing the submission again.

I have edited the draft page significantly to remove any wording that may come across as overtly promotional or be seen as advertising.

I have amended the copy to only read factual information about the brand.

Please let me know whether this is sufficient enough to request another review.

Thank you.

Coffeefan79 (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft is just blatant advertising and has been rejected, it won't be reviewed again. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Request on 15:46:20, 31 May 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by S Tallim
The submission was declined by Nat on May 25th on grounds that submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Following sources were provided, namely: 1. Mahal is a published author. His books are available at Amazon (USA, Canada, UK, Australia), Abe Books, Indigo (Canada), Book Depository, Google Books, JSKS online, Dymocks (Australia) and others. His books are published by leading Indian publishers, namely: Singh Bros. (Amritsar), Sanbun Publishers (Delhi) and Munshiram Manoharlal. 2.His books are in libraries at Cornell University, University of Michigan, Columbia University (NY), University of Virginia, Library of Congress among others (https://www.worldcat.org/title/origin-of-jat-race-tracing-ancestry-to-the-scythians-of-antiquity/oclc/932121492) 3. He has published scores of articles in Sikh journals to which references are provided. 4. He was nominated to leading Canadian governmental advisory bodies (Hamilton-CCAC, College of Physiotherapists, and Governor-General appointment to Board of Referees.) Letters patnet of appointments can be made available. 5. He was awarded prestigious Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal for significant contributions to Canada or to a particular province, territory, region, or community within Canada, or for an outstanding achievement abroad that has brought great credit to Canada. Medal award photo of presentation was provided. 6. He was awarded Council Award by College of Physiotherapists for outstanding work as Board member. Award photo of presentation was provided. 7. He was awarded Hamilton Community Care Centre for services rendered as Board member. He received special commendation from Minister of Health of Ontario, copy of which can be provided. Award photo of presentation was provided.

Given above I am at a loss to understand Nat's objections.

S Tallim (talk) 15:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You have done a good job of telling about this person and what they've done. Wikipedia, however, is looking for more; a Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. The person may be notable, but you just tell us what they have done, and not summarized what others say about them, such as what exactly their influence was or significance is(not what you say it is, what they say it is). You may be too close to the subject to be able to do that. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Are the following type of references suffice:https://www.sikhchic.com/1984/punjab_a_cataclysmic_showdown_aftermath_and_challenges by late Emeritus Professor Gerald Barrier

http://sikhinstitute.org/july_2009/10-reviewvirk1.html – By a leading Sikh scholar and Professor, eminent historian of South Asia and Sikh Studies at University of Missouri.

I am trying to obtain another review from Dr. Pashaura Singh - Professor & Jasbir Singh Saini Endowed Chair of Sikh and Punjabi Studies at UC Riverside

S Tallim70.51.134.58 (talk) 17:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are S Tallim, remember to log in before posting. 331dot (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Are the following type of references suffice:https://www.sikhchic.com/1984/punjab_a_cataclysmic_showdown_aftermath_and_challenges by late Emeritus Professor Gerald Barrier

http://sikhinstitute.org/july_2009/10-reviewvirk1.html – By a leading Sikh scholar and Professor, eminent historian of South Asia and Sikh Studies at University of Missouri.

I am trying to obtain another review from Dr. Pashaura Singh - Professor & Jasbir Singh Saini Endowed Chair of Sikh and Punjabi Studies at UC Riverside S TallimS Tallim (talk) 19:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Will the draft be improved by inserting of the paras below, three citations by eminent professors:

Dr. Norman G. Barrier, Professor Emeritus, Asia and Sikh Studies, at the University of Missouri, credits Mahal for “(play(ing)  an important role in fostering multiculturalism in Canada, as well as providing leadership for health care in Ontario (and) after decades of writing for Sikh journals and magazines across the globe, he has assembled a coherent perspective on Sikhism and the Sikh community.”

Dr. Hardev Singh, Professor of Eminence (Physics), SGGS World University, Fatehgarh Sahib, Punjab (India) and a renowned Sikh scholar, acknowledges Mahal for “writ(ing) extensively on the Sikh ethos and challenges faced by the Sikh diaspora (and) hav(ing) traveled over five continents and gained lot of experience of living in multicultural societies around the globe (which) has provided him with a platform to promote multiculturalism in Canada.”

In his editorial review of Mahal’s book (“origin of Jat Race”) Dr. Visho L. Sharma, Emeritus Professor at Western Michigan University, attests to Mahal’s [https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Race-Bhupinder-Singh-Mahal/dp/8121512913 “carefully researched and well written account (that) shows awareness of the dispute regarding divers origins of species and the nature of cultural diffusion….. with the raging controversy over how the Indian nation was formed…..with the consensus forming around the notion of thousands of years of wide-spread cultural intercourse (on) the Eurasian steppe full of political upheavals which constantly shifted whole groupings from one location to another; indeed, the Scythians are shown to have dispersed helter-skelter across more than a thousand miles.”]

KINDLY respond S TallimS Tallim (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

18:49:56, 31 May 2021 review of submission by Ivanzarateleonel
Hi! My client doesn't understand why the draft was rejected. Hi is the founder of Prage Polo and is more relevant than a lot of people registered in Wiki. Please accept the draft or tell what I must change. Thank you. Iván. Ivanzarateleonel (talk) 18:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see other stuff exists; the existence of other inappropriate articles does not mean that yours can too; otherwise nothing could ever be removed from Wikipedia. This is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can; it is possible to get inappropriate articles by us.  We can only address what we know about.  If you are interested in pitching in to help, you can identify some of these other inappropriate articles you have seen so they can be addressed.
 * Regarding your draft, it was rejected, and will not be considered further, because you did nothing but (in essence) post his resume. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves(either directly or through a representative such as yourself), it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Please see Your First Article.  If no independent sources have given your client significant coverage on their own(no press releases, interviews, or other primary sources) he would not merit an article at this time and no amount of editing can change that.
 * I have posted on your user talk page important information regarding paid editing that you must review. 331dot (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Your client may also want to learn why a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 19:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)