Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 November 11

= November 11 =

04:12:41, 11 November 2021 review of submission by Mnikumr58
Mnikumr58 (talk) 04:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Mnikumr58 You need to prove that he passes WP:NACTOR Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 18:09, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

08:27:12, 11 November 2021 review of draft by EgilsDoro
Hi, there! Well, I tried to fix all the suggestions, the problem is that there are no lots of references to site, as the person article is about is quite "a rocket" in his field. Dont know how to improve more the article.

Also - if I may ask for the advise - I've tried to translate Latvian page into English (unsuccessfully:)) and wanted to ask You - the page I try to create in en.wiki and page I try to translate form LV - are they counted as a different pages or same?

EgilsDoro (talk) 08:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * We do not have articles on the up-and-coming; they must have already arrived for us to even consider having an article. Encyclopaedias are lagging indicators, after all. And they would be considered different pages on different projects. Each Wikipedia project has different communities and, as a consequence, different standards, with the English-language Wikipedia having some of the toughest. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 11:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Request on 15:22:11, 11 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Barberknows
The draft “Frank Walmsley” has been unfairly rejected on the grounds that it does not have sufficient media coverage (!): this has been New Zealand’s MOST PUBLICIZED sexual abuse trial, and the draft has shown numerous links and references to the country’s main newspapers where it made headlines for an extended period of time. It is a very important article to have on Wikipedia, to raise awareness of child abuse that often goes unnoticed and uncredited.

I do not understand what is missing. Can you please help ? Thank you.

Barberknows (talk) 15:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Barberknows You have swathes of unsourced text which can be judged to be controversial. Walmsley is alive. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Speaking about unfairness is unhelpful, so is using block capitals.
 * It is not a "very important article to have on Wikipedia". it is just a draft article. When accepted it will just be an article. We do not care about the topic. It must be correctly written and referenced according to our rules. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 18:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Request on 16:20:44, 11 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Haru4sooya
hello, im a admin of a fanbase on twitter for south korean girlgroup aespa member WINTER and im trying to create and publish a informative page for her. I never used wikipedia as "writer" before... could you please help me exactly what i have to do? I know, reliable sources, references. I will definitely try to gain all korean websites and gather them into the references box... but, here are sooo many different pages and so much text - isnt there a easy methode to exactly guide me in a "wikipedia page writing for dummys" or something? Im 17 years old.

kind regards and stay healthy dear admin :)

Haru4sooya (talk) 16:20, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Haru4sooya Please read Help:Your first article Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 18:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

17:28:12, 11 November 2021 review of draft by Javytamez
I am trying to create a Wiki page for our company's 100th anniversary. I saved it as a draft, cause after it's created others will be adding content. So I published it, but then could not find it again. I submitted for review, without references. Is there a way to expedite reviews?

Javytamez (talk) 17:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no way to guarantee a speedy review, but I declined your draft as it has almost no content. First, please review WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. Second, please understand that Wikipedia is not a web host where companies can create pages about themselves and their anniversaries. This is an encyclopedia, typically written by independent editors, that has criteria for inclusion, see WP:ORG. Please read WP:5P and Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 17:38, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

17:55:50, 11 November 2021 review of draft by Aljones001
I am trying to publish an article for a well known and recognized artist (Aaron T Stephan) that had previously been denied back in April due to lack of citations. I added citations, but the article was declined due to my sources not being considered "reliable." What should I do? The sources are from published articles/newspapers/legitimate websites. Just now I went back to add sources for the first paragraph on his background and education (sources from Forbes and two galleries. Do you think this will solve the problem? Or is the problem with the previously included sources? here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Aaron_T_Stephan&action=submit Aljones001 (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Aljones001 What is likely to help is for you to help the review team by linking to online versions of your reference where they exist.
 * Just to remind you: For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * You need to prove that the person passes Notability (people) See the section on Creative professionals there Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 18:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Request on 18:58:07, 11 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Sidney Switzer
Sidney Switzer (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was deleted as a blatant copyright infringement. Please see WP:COPYVIO. 331dot (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Request on 20:32:57, 11 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by ThinkerCastillo
Hello, I am a PhD student at Purdue University. I recently created an article for my Professor and advisor on his behalf, Dr. Luciano Castillo who is a very notable personality in the field of fluid mechanics. He has major contributions to the community of science, as well as in energy and social sector where he works on under-represented groups in STEM community. However, the page was reviewed and declined on basis of copyright issues. I was wondering if someone could please help me understand the problem so I could fix it. Can you please help? Thank you :)

ThinkerCastillo (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @ThinkerCastillo The reason for declining the draft is copying of text from elsewhere. Having run a copyright checker on it I am not sure that I agree with @Eagleash and would like them to comment further. I do agree with their removal of external links from the text. I would also have pushed this back to you for further work based upon your referencing.
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * I have concerns that you have written this on his behalf. Please read Conflict of interest. This doesn't;t prevent you from writing a draft, but it needs to be declared  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 20:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Tim, thanks for picking this up and the ping. Looking at it again the CV is not as bad as I initially thought; there's a lot more 'routine' wording it seems, However, a 50% indication (via 'earwig') is a bit of a red flag though. I agree also that the referencing isn't ideal and might also have returned it if RL had not intervened. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

21:55:20, 11 November 2021 review of submission by Huanggab
Dear editors,

I have recently posted an article on the Kresling fold, a type of creasing pattern with multiple applications in aerospace and everyday objects, and also a very interesting subject from a mathematical perspective. I have included extensive references on the subject, including multiple papers by Biruta Kresling, the researcher whose name was given to that fold in the scientific community.

My draft was declined on the basis of not being "supported by reliabled sources", without any guidance on how to improve the article.

The sources I have used include several peer-reviewed conference and journal papers, such as Journal of Mechanisms and Robotics, International Design Engineering Technical Conferences and Computers and Information in Engineering Conference, Structural Dynamics, and Materials Conference, Physical Review E., Journal of Applied Mechanics, Science advances and more.

Those sources are substantiated by a wide body of researchers and academic institutions. If they cannot be considered reliable, then what is?

Please reconsider this article for acceptance.

Thank you so much.

Huanggab (talk) 21:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

23:13:39, 11 November 2021 review of submission by 1nM4W0
Hi there. My name is Ian and I'm inquiring about when the above-mentioned draft might receive a review? I submitted it about 2 months ago and was told that a high percentage of drafts get some sort of response within the first week. I understand that your team has a lot of content to review and am hopeful we can get some sort of response to our draft after so long. Please let me know if there's anything I can or need to do on my end to help expedite this process. Any other questions would also be welcome. Thank you! 1nM4W0 (talk) 23:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please clarify what you mean by "we" and "our". The policy on Wikipedia is "one user—one account". Usernames should not be shared by multiple individuals. Do you have a conflict of interest to declare? --Worldbruce (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

My apologies. I am the sole user of this account and have no conflict of interest to declare. Please let me know if I can answer any other questions for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @1nM4W0 I have left a comment on the draft. The reason for the delay seems to me to be that yiou have not helped us to help you Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 16:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah. I see the problem, thank you for pointing that out. I erroneously assumed that the sources were working properly. I'll be sure to get that fixed and circle back around once that's done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I have added the links to the references on this article. I am experiencing one display problem in which it appears the references are showing up twice in the same section. Any advice or assistance with that problem would be greatly appreciated. The links appear on the first iteration of the references list and should be functioning properly. Let me know if there's anything else I need to do. Thank you!

Thank you for the further instructions on setting up citations. I'll do that research and get those placed properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering who told you a review would take under a week, and how you came to edit about this company. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy to answer that. I can't remember which editor I previously spoke to, but they claimed that 80% of submissions receive a response within 1-2 weeks. However, I've also seen the messaging that it can take up to 2 months, so I hope no one takes that conversation point as a complaint. Just seeking some more clarity on the process.

As for how I came to write about this company, I am a current employee. I hope that doesn't constitute a conflict of interest, but I worked closely with another Wikipedia editor, Tol, to ensure that the piece met encyclopedic writing standards and in no way sounded promotional. Before being assigned to other projects, Tol indicated that I had removed all traces of language that could be construed as promotional.

The other reason I'm here is because InMoment, the company this article is about, actually had a Wikipedia page for many years until a disgruntled ex-employee filled it with obscene language, forcing its takedown. Ultimately, I hope to restore InMoment's presence on Wikipedia with this new page about the company, and am willing to collaborate/answer additional questions as needed. Sorry for writing a novel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1nM4W0 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@1nM4W0 I see that insted of using the (Template:Reflist) template, you listed the references. The reflist template matches the reference to the where it was cited, to avoid complication when there is a LOT of references (i.e hereHMS Hood, just check some featured articles) as it will highlight the reference. Leomk (Don't shout here, Shout here!)  10:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you very much for pointing that out and for linking to the resource.

It looks like someone besides myself went in and changed the manually-listed references over to the reflist template. As far as I can tell, the links on those references are no longer functional. Will I disrupt or invalidate the reference list by re-adding links? Or do I just need to add links to the reference numbers in the body of the article?

Hi there! I found a feature called the Citation Bot and ran it over my draft. It claimed that everything looks to be in order, though to be fair it might be referring to something other than my references. Just checking again to see how you would like me to proceed with adding links to sources. Do I do so in the "reflist" or at the numbers throughout the main body of the page? Thank you so much for your assistance.

23:59:44, 11 November 2021 review of draft by Curtis8516
Curtis8516 (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

23:59:44, 11 November 2021 review of submission by Curtis8516

Hi there. I have been asked by musciian of Sneaker Pimps - Liam Howe, to create an album page for the band's Wikipedia. The only one missing is Squaring The Circle. I attempted to duplicate the album page of previous Sneaker Pimps albums with this one, but it has been declined. I'm new to this, so was wondering if anyone could help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Stchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Stc
 * No references, no article, no debate. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , Is Google broken where you live? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:55, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I was judging the draft based on the sources it presently cited at that time. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 14:11, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The point is that you could have Googled and found at least 3/4 reliable sources in about two minutes and added them to the article, saving everybody a lot of time. WP:RUBBISH isn't an acceptable argument at AfD; why do you think it is here? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer to not be yelled at by a draft author who assumes their draft is theirs alone to edit, or who are editing on behalf of someone else who wants their article just so. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 15:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You must, if you haven't already, formally declare your conflict of interest, see WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 08:29, 12 November 2021 (UTC)