Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 November 13

= November 13 =

09:16:26, 13 November 2021 review of draft by TrickShotFinn
I'm at bit of loss how to proceed with this, since I'm not that familiar with Arsene Lupin. Also, from what I understand, 813 is supposed to be pretty significant work in Lupin canon.

And once again, I cannot handle this alone and it is unjust to expect me to.TrickShotFinn (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

TrickShotFinn (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's unjust to expect you to do the work to write about a topic for which you chose to write about? I'm wondering why you attempted to write about a subject that you know little about and need others to help you with. Typically, editors write about subjects that they know something about and can support what they write with sources.  You don't need to submit a totally finished, complete draft, but to pass this process you must summarize at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this novel, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable novel.
 * As you have found, you attempted to create this in mainspace yourself, but it was not kept there; it was not just deleted because there is a chance it can be brought up to standards, but it can't just be left there. If you need help, my suggestion would be to find a relevant WikiProject, perhaps the Books project, which may have other editors willing to help you(but they won't necessarily just do it for you). 331dot (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I must've misinterpreted what "collaborative online encyclopedia" meant - if I get this sort of sardonic treatment over asking for help. I could have taken this on some other day, but not now. I'll cool down and ask WP Books later.TrickShotFinn (talk) 10:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @TrickShotFinn not really sardonic. The editors here are generalists who specialise in helping with technical aspects of creation of articles. You have mace an excellent choice to aim for specialists.
 * Sometimes one is lucky, here, and finds an editor with an interest I the topic, and oohysicla hope arrives, but, mostly, the editors here are likely to be unable to offer editing help tat is not a technical issue. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 11:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I have left what I hope you will find to be a helpful comment on the draft itself Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 11:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I apologize for giving offense, that was not my intention whatsoever. As I said, you are not expected to publish a completely finished, perfect article in one try.  But you are expected to provide a bare minimum start for something that you create in the main, public space of the encyclopedia.  In this case, you did so, and it was noticed by another editor who saw that it did not meet those minimum standards and they decided to move it into the Draft area for further work. You might have, through pure luck that it was not noticed in the New Pages feed, had it stick in the main space for a bit- but that's not the best way to seek collaboration as you would then rely on the pure luck that another editor interested in the topic would come along and add to it.  Creating Drafts and then telling other people about them- either at the relevant WikiProject, or on the general Help Desk(this desk is primaily for asking about submitted drafts) is the best way to start something that you think has a chance at being improved but you don't have the means(like sources) to do. If you submit a draft or directly create an article, it is expected to meet certain minimum standards. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I caused an alarm. The "It's unjust to expect you to do the work to write about a topic for which you chose to write about?" and other such from 331dot went down the wrong pipe and it's not been a best week for me. I maybe not that familiar with Arsene Lupin, but I do know 813 gets brought up in the conversation a lot (i.e fansites, tvtropes etc). I was further enticed into doing it when I noticed that the other language wikis had entries for 813 - and yes, I am aware certain languages are much looser with citations than the English one. I was also aware of the risk that it would be sent to draftspace, but I gambled on it, believing it would attract somebody who knew more about it. I'll probably be unable to focus on 813 - as well as Roland Habersetzer, another entry that has suffered same fate. I have the real life things to wrestle with. That and before the draftspace double strike, I was meant to focus on improving the Wing Chun page here on Wikipedia, so I'm just burnt out with little energy for this stuff at the moment. Again, sorry for the trouble. TrickShotFinn (talk) 17:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

09:52:08, 13 November 2021 review of submission by Yasercs89
YASER ARAFATH ( talk ) 09:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Yasercs89 I'm afraid we need to upgrade to Telepathy 2.0.37b in order to determine your question. I thought this reply at you for a while, but, since you didn't seem to receive it, I thought I'd better reply here Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 12:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Your sources are unusable. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 18:02, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

22:05:12, 13 November 2021 review of submission by Fnoll
Fnoll (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

I consulted the notability guidelines for Web portals at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(web) and believed I had met all requirements there as well as having addressed all the comments on my draft and so I submitted the article again for review.

If I didn't, I'd be very grateful if you could guide me on what specifically needs to be added to the article in to meet Wikipedia requirements and then let me submit the article for review again.

Fnoll (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. You have not offered significant coverage of the subject. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 13 November 2021 (UTC)