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= October 11 =

00:51:12, 11 October 2021 review of submission by Dwwolnik
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Charles_Elson_Lively&oldid=1049290023 Looking to have this page accepted. It was reviewed and denied quickly a few weeks ago, and I have since made many changes. All works have been supported by third-party citations, in addition to the author's own works. Dwwolnik (talk) 00:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your contribution. The draft has been in the pool to be reviewed for 11 days. The current backlog is 7 weeks. Please be patient. There are a million ways you can improve Wikipedia while you wait. See the Community portal for how to help. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

04:00:12, 11 October 2021 review of submission by Wikarl23
I added references from reputable newspapers from the Philippines as references. These references focus on the subject and does not merely mention the subject in passing: https://www.pressreader.com/philippines/philippine-daily-inquirer-1109/20161013/282029031745168 https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/09/23/public-square/divinalaw-lawyers-named-best-in-ph-for-4th-straight-year/1815799/

Wikarl23 (talk) 04:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The tone of the Philippine Daily Inquirer piece is that of a press release or advertorial instead of an objective news story, so reviewers aren't likely to regard it as independent. The Manila Times piece is about a magazine top-100 list, a type of coverage that WP:NORG explicitly deems trivial, rather than significant. The draft has been rejected, which is meant to convey to you that the topic is a lost cause. No amount of editing will make it acceptable. Therefore volunteers do not intend to review it again. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:48, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

08:42:46, 11 October 2021 review of draft by The Original Filfi
Any help adding names, sources etc greatly appreciated

The Original Filfi (talk) 08:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this calls for a standalone article. Have you considered instead adding a section to 2020 United States presidential election? It will get more eyeballs there. TechnoTalk (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi TechnoTalk, Thank for your comment, and I certainly did consider that route, my reasoning and methodology was two fold, 1. a part-edit on the article mentioned may create a false impression that the listing is complete and only ~1, ~3, ~8, ~10, ~17 senators have done so to the casual reader while the in-progress editing was being performed and senators are added. 2. many senators have since withdrawn the "tacit" approval, I think we need to list them all and then reference to that article and vice-versa so that the number of senators is near the top of the article, possibly even in the lead section, something like "at one stage or other, over 40% of the GOP senators acknowledged Biden's win", otherwise this detail will get a little lost in the body. I think we need to put this somewhat front and centre so that the casual reader can ascertain and understand the treachery that followed.The Original Filfi (talk) 22:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

10:59:31, 11 October 2021 review of submission by Tejas Kolekar
Tejas Kolekar (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 11:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

11:27:37, 11 October 2021 review of submission by Bhumisuta2000
Bhumisuta2000 (talk) 11:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but you essentially posted the person's resume, not an encyclopedia article that summarizes independent reliable sources. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 12:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 12:08:35, 11 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Karsan Chanda
Karsan Chanda (talk) 12:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't help with assessing sources because most of the ones that we could use are ones I can't read even with Google Translate. I will however say that the Wikipedia cites are not appropriate; if you want to link to those articles use (article) . —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

13:00:38, 11 October 2021 review of submission by SPARSH24
SPARSH24 (talk) 13:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was a clear advertisement. 331dot (talk) 13:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

13:39:18, 11 October 2021 review of submission by Newartists361
Hey xx the page that I have created for Sajjad Nahavandi I don't know why is declined. the comment says not clear how they pass WP:NSINGER? but in Criteria for musicians and ensembles mentioned has had single album, song, article, magazine, and more other more which the artist that i choose to make his Wikipedia has most of the criteria. can some help me to create his page. I don't understand why it declined.

Newartists361 (talk) 13:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You have no independent reliable sources to summarize, you only have sources documenting the existence of this person's music. You also have not demonstrated that this person meets at least one of the notability criteria written at WP:BAND. Please review your first article. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

15:13:02, 11 October 2021 review of draft by 45.49.9.109
Help to create Miss Asia USA beauty pageant.

45.49.9.109 (talk) 15:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft currently reads as an advertisment for the pageant. A Wikipedia article about the pageant should instead summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable event. If you are affiliated with the pageant, please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 15:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you should also read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. You need to show that there is enough media coverage to meet Wikipedia's notability guideline. Having a bare list of references tacked on at the end isn't going to be enough. The sources need to be better integrated into the article, with the important information extracted and written out in the article. Here's an example of what you should strive for in terms of inline citations. Miss America I also rewrote the lead section - it was not written very well. TechnoTalk (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

15:42:47, 11 October 2021 review of draft by Jeanne Pritt Sheridan
Hi, I am wondering why my submission was rejected yet when I look at these published articles of her peers, they are a lot less detailed or cited than mine. Not a complaint, just trying to understand so I can get better at this :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Uphold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_Brooks_(designer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Lopez

Also, can I add the listing to certain categories while still in draft or is that something done after it is approved and published?

Thanks,

Jeanne

Jeanne Pritt Sheridan (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see other stuff exists. It could be that these other articles are also inappropriate. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible to get inappropriate articles by us. We can only address what we know about, and it is not required for everyone to use this process.(only new users and IP users). If you want to use other articles as a model, use those that are classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 15:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * None of those articles went through the drafting process - Uphold and Brooks were both created directly in mainspace in the early-mid '10s before drafting became mandatory, and Lopez predates the drafting process altogether. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 19:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I took a look at your draft and made some minor changes. You don't want to have inline external links (see WP:EL) and the sections need to have sentence case, not title case. Also, too much of the info was bolded, so I changed it to italics. I would focus on reducing the excessive and unnecessary list of episodes sourced using IMDB, and instead find media profiles about Breeganjane.  And, instead of having a long list of media features, why not see if you can find information in those pieces to flesh out her bio in the article. You have to demonstrate that the media thinks she's important, in order to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements WP:GNG, and the draft doesn't do that, yet. TechnoTalk (talk) 20:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

21:28:14, 11 October 2021 review of submission by Taros1990
Taros1990 (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * QUACK KylieTastic (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 21:41:47, 11 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Taros1990
Taros1990 (talk) 21:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tagged for speedy deletion., stop evading your block or else it will be extended. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 21:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * not will but has been - now indefed KylieTastic (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

23:33:29, 11 October 2021 review of draft by Sumgastricfluid
Hello, my wikipedia page draft for the Jacob Lawrence Gallery was declined on the grounds that it read more as an advertisement than as an encyclopedia entry. I would like help editing this page to be more neutral.

I removed one part of the page detailing that student internships are paid, as this seemed part of the problem. For context, this detail was included for context on gallery operations and ethics.

Thank you for any help. Sumgastricfluid (talk) 23:33, 11 October 2021 (UTC)