Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 October 21

= October 21 =

04:07:00, 21 October 2021 review of submission by Jacktenaya
Hello! I tried submitting an article to a local historical business in my city. Why was it declined?

Jacktenaya (talk) 04:07, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * One source that hardly talks about the business is not going to be enough to justify an article. Note that we do accept offline sources, if properly cited. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * One source that hardly talks about the business is not going to be enough to justify an article. Note that we do accept offline sources, if properly cited. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

07:30:51, 21 October 2021 review of draft by 2A01:E35:39FE:EA00:C873:33C:1F63:7E66
My submission was declined, on the grounds of "reading like an advertisement." I am unsure which portion of the draft this refers to and have tried to add external links to reference all information, so I am requesting to know what changes, deletions, or improvements can I make to the draft in order for the submission to be approved ? 2A01:E35:39FE:EA00:C873:33C:1F63:7E66 (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's an advertisement because it just tells about TheFork and what it does. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The sources you offer simply report the routine business activities of the company, this does not establish notability.
 * If you are associated with this company, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

08:22:30, 21 October 2021 review of submission by Jomafa
I have made some corrections, and edited some words, I believe my page is qualified and would be glad if given a page on Wikipedia. Jomafa (talk) 08:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

09:27:34, 21 October 2021 review of draft by HorribleHistories1992
Need help making this article, found a credible British activist who does not appear on Wikipedia. Draft:Nigel Bromage

HorribleHistories1992 (talk) 09:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed your draft and left some advice there. I've fixed your link above, the whole URL is not necessary. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 09:57:25, 21 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by HorribleHistories1992
Article Creation I would like help to create and finish this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nigel_Bromage so that it can be approved. I have no experience with article creation and the sources are there, but format is wrong. Any help here in creating this article is appreciated.

HorribleHistories1992 (talk) 09:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I think it would be much easier to do if you switched to WP:VE. In the editor, there's a pencil icon at the top right and you can switch there to Visual Editor. Place the cursor where you want the ref, then click cite. The references will be automatically completed after you paste the URL in the box. Gorden 2211 (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, don't use the Daily Mail, see WP:DAILYMAIL and don't create a new section for every reply. Gorden 2211 (talk) 10:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

12:05:28, 21 October 2021 review of submission by Jomafa
I have made corrections, please what could be the challenge? Jomafa (talk) 12:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. No amount of editing can change that. 331dot (talk) 14:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

17:38:24, 21 October 2021 review of submission by Marveldccomicsfan
hi, what can i do to make my article request accepted as it has been declined a few times. is there something wrong with it or? Marveldccomicsfan (talk) 17:38, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing you can do- the draft was rejected. No amount of editing can confer notability. The vast majority of fictional characters do not merit articles. Only characters that receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources merit articles. 331dot (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

19:50:00, 21 October 2021 review of draft by Tabatha Adchoir
Hi, I'm trying to figure out what qualifies as reliable Source for my Artist References. For example, the first Article referenced, by Ricardito for SoulTracks Magazine, which has a Wikipedia Entry itself seems reliable to me as it is an unbiased and non-promotional review by a well known genre defined Magazine. The Article by Mentalunrest.com named Aural Dive is another umbiased review, but reliable I'm the sense that Mentalunrest is a well known and visited Arts-Review Website. I guess trying to figure out which References I should keep and which to delete, as maybe some lesser known websites don't qualify. Thank you for your help.

Tabatha Adchoir (talk) 19:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Every biographical claim that could potentially be challenged for any reason what-so-ever MUST be cited to a in-depth third-party source that corroborates it or (if no source can be found for that claim) removed. This is a hard requirement when writing about living or recently-departed people on Wikipedia and is NOT negotiable. Your issue isn't the quality of sources - it's that you have far too few. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jēskē, Thanks for your response, I think I'm slowly getting the picture. I guess my real question is how does an independent Artist get to have an Article if he doesn't have Prime Coverage? If a respected Site like SoulTracks, which has a Wiki Entry and a worldwide Audience of about 250k monthly doesn't qualify as a reliable source then the chances become slim. If unbiased Album Reviews by well known Music Blogs don't count, though the Independent Music Industry relies on them, even slimmer. So how does one let the world know of the existence of this Artist, thats clearly been consistently putting out Material for over 10 years now? Should he be advised to sign a Label Deal and get a Billboard Magazine Article first? Thanks for your Help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabatha Adchoir (talk • contribs) 06:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Tabatha Adchoir Wikipedia has no interest in helping or harming anyione's career. Advice is not given on ways of promoting one's self to be able, at some future time, to meet our notability criteria. A subject is either notable in a wikipedia sense or it is not Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 07:39, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi . "Let the world know of the existence of this Artist" is a goal that is antithetical to the purpose of Wikipedia, which may not be used for any type of publicity, promotion, or public relations. If getting the word out about him is your objective, you may wish to explore alternative outlets for your writing. Encyclopedias, being tertiary sources, don't contain biographies of people the world at large hasn't already taken significant notice of.
 * Wikipedia gauges this attention not by how long a person has worked or how prolific they've been, but by how much has been written about them in independent, reliable, secondary sources. SoulTracks writes as much about an artist as they're willing to pay for; they are neither independent nor reliable. Self-published blogs are reliable only for the opinion of the author. They don't help demonstrate notability except in the rare case of professional music critics who have previously been published in reliable sources. WikiProject Albums/Sources contains a list of sources Wikipedians have found useful when writing about music. Billboard is on that list, but so are many others. --Worldbruce (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)