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= October 25 =

02:04:29, 25 October 2021 review of submission by Chaseniks
Chaseniks (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I recently created this wiki page for [|Stats Insider] using a template from an [(website)|already published wiki page] and the draft was rejected. Was wondering why the draft was rejected consider it had more references from reputed websites and more information than the published wiki page.

Request on 02:14:52, 25 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by CardistryExpert
Brian Tudor Speedy Deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brian_Tudor

I am an avid fan of specialty card tricks and when I found that wikipedia had articles about it I was surprised to find that they didn't have a profile for one of my very favorite magicians. How does Lee Asher,, Chris Kenner, Daniel and David Buck - Dan and Dave who all worked with him have pages, yet he does not?

He is mentioned in several articles as the creator of the genre:

[] (Multiple mentions) [] []

The authority on card flourishes, Jerry Cestkowski said in his book, Tudor had "very, very good flourish cuts and some unbelievable false flourish cuts." (http://docshare.tips/the-encyclopedia-of-playing-card-flourishes_587545e9b6d87f86848b49f5.html )

You asked for more independent sources to confirm his notability, the article lists that he is cited as notable by:

1. Vanity Fair 2. Encyclopedia of Playing Card Flourishes 3. Urban Dictionary 4. Genii Magazine 5. Magic Magazine 6. DecemberBoys.com.ua 7. Bicycle Playing Card website 8. "Flash Cards with Jerry Cestkowski" podcast

Under "Requirements for Notability of Entertainers", he qualifies under: 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CardistryExpert (talk • contribs) 02:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I am in contact with the cited noble contributors such as David Copperfield, Chris Kenner, and Dave and Dan, but they all don't understand why the draft would be rejected.

Do you have any tips to help me accomplish this?

CardistryExpert (talk) 02:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . I've left a detailed comment on the draft. It isn't productive to compare the draft with existing articles. Wikipedia is user-generated, so it isn't a reliable source. It's possible that he shouldn't be mentioned in those articles, and the existence of an article doesn't mean it should exist. It could be that some of those biographies should be deleted, but no one has gotten around to it yet. It's also very common for some members of a set of people, who are similarly talented and have worked together, to have been written about more in reliable, independent sources, and some written about less. That, not ability or accomplishment, is what defines notability in Wikipedia, so some will be notable and some won't be. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

04:16:05, 25 October 2021 review of submission by Parantak.yadav
Parantak.yadav (talk) 04:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

06:20:56, 25 October 2021 review of submission by Midoisangry
I believe it meets the requirements for an article.

Midoisangry (talk) 06:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Midoisangry It does not.
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 08:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

09:09:53, 25 October 2021 review of submission by Meimaar.93
Hello dear Graeme Bartlett, as you mentioned already about the concerns raised up about my recent activity on the UArchitects page, I declared in my talk page that I work independently from any organization and I would like to inform Dutch architecture studios. so is it possible now that I start and modify the page? thank you in advance. Meimaar.93 (talk) 09:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

09:20:29, 25 October 2021 review of submission by Naser Almeer
I have edited my references and i want to post my own biogrophy about myself and i need to know what exactly to change to get the post at live section


 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.


 * Please consider that you are not the best perosn to write about yourself. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 09:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, see WP:AUTO. 331dot (talk) 11:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

12:24:33, 25 October 2021 review of draft by Navnine9
Navnine9 (talk) 12:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but does it have to do with adding project tags? 331dot (talk) 12:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

14:02:30, 25 October 2021 review of draft by Naser Almeer
I had problems publishing my biography and it tells me that i need to add refrences and change some of the article template so i want to know if those references gonna solve the problem and the article goes live here is the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Naser_Almeer and these are the references https://alarabi.qa/طائرة-العربي-تتاهل-لربع-نهائي-البطولة/ https://al-sharq.com/article/29/03/2019/عودة-ناصر-المير-لطائرة-الوكرة https://www.olympic.qa/ar/we-are-team-qatar/meet-naser-al-meer-team-qatars-beach-volleyball-player-0 https://volleyball.qa/ar/غداً-تنطلق-بطولة-كأس-أسبايرللكرة-الطا/ https://twitter.com/alkasschannel/status/995008800422744064?lang=ar and if it is possible in which exact paragraphe i have to make the changes and thanks. Naser Almeer (talk) 14:02, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Naser Almeer I have told you this before.
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Please read Help:Referencing for beginners and Citing sources Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 19:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please read Help:Referencing for beginners and Citing sources Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 19:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please read Help:Referencing for beginners and Citing sources Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 19:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

14:14:38, 25 October 2021 review of submission by Airanc
Airanc (talk) 14:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC) We have made some changes to the draft page "Stefano Eugenio Marsaglia" on 2021/10/25. We are awaiting approval of the draft
 * Who is "we"? Accounts should only be operated by a single person.  Regardless, the draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further.  Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about someone and their accomplishments; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * in addition to what 331dot has written above, please see WP:CIRCULAR, Wikipedia (including other language editions) and its mirrors are never a reliable source. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Airanc It was inappropriate to copy Draft:Stefano Eugenio Marsaglia and paste it to create Stefano Eugenio Marsaglia today. I have left two warnings on your talk page. One is because of the copy and paste, and the other because your edits and the use of the first person plural suggest to me WP:UPE, something I hope is not the case, but I suspect is.
 * @Hatchens rejected the draft, so I am pinging them in order that they are aware Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 20:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Editors should offer policy based opnions at Articles for deletion/Stefano Eugenio Marsaglia Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 20:30, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Dear ; thank you for the ping. Now, I'm aware. -Hatchens (talk) 02:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

17:03:23, 25 October 2021 review of draft by Kittyo
Kittyo (talk) 17:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi I had an article declined and have made the edits that where suggested. I think I accidentally went to 'resubmit' without using 'publish' first as the text returned looked like the original article. I have just re-edited and pressed 'publish'. Do I need to do anything further to resubmit?

Thank you! Kittyo (talk) 17:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You have successfully submitted it for review. Note that "publish changes" should be interpreted to simply mean "save changes".  It used to say "save changes" but was changed for legal reasons, to emphasize that all edits are visible to the public(even those in drafts). 331dot (talk) 17:05, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply, that's great.

Kittyo (talk) 17:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

21:11:12, 25 October 2021 review of submission by AnnieTruth
AnnieTruth (talk) 21:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC) I need assistance to change the title of the article to Adrian Daniel''' to reflect the music artist stage name for easy reference. Everything else will remain the same. He is under consideration for a GRAMMY and a Nasdaq billboard will be posted on 10/29/21.


 * @AnnieTruth it seems you needed no help here. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 10:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

22:01:46, 25 October 2021 review of draft by DrJay31
I have tried multiple time to publish changes and it will not let me submit it. It is currently in draft mode.

DrJay31 (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft was deleted as a blatant advertisement, and you are now blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 10:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)