Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 September 17

= September 17 =

05:05:13, 17 September 2021 review of draft by Hmazuji
i submitted a perfectly good wiki page, and it is being deleted for no good reason Hmazuji (talk) 05:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A draft that's about something already covered in an existing article (in this case, Faroe Islands) will be summarily declined. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And while we're on the topic, we take a very dim view of activism. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Your Draft:Faroe Islands wasn't "perfectly good". It didn't even approach "good". And it wasn't just declined, it was rejected. There's a big red "STOP" sign on it. That means "stop". It doesn't mean "persist", and it certainly doesn't mean "Just do the same thing again, but this time give it the title 'Draft:The real faroe islands'." -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

07:39:18, 17 September 2021 review of submission by An SG ARMYCarat
This is my first time trying to make a Wikipedia page. I require assistance as I do not understand what I should post on this page. I am currently trying to make this page and am I allowed to make references to a Wikipedia page in the Korean language? Also, how much and what things should I post before the page is deemed as suitable to be published?

An SG ARMYCarat (talk) 07:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , you can't use a Wikipedia page in any language as a reference. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, which is because its content is user-generated. Please see WP:RS. Your subject must be notable. He's considered notable if the article demonstrates that he satisfies either WP:ARTIST Notability (music) or, more generally, WP:PERSON. For what the draft should and shouldn't include, please see Biographies of living persons. -- Hoary (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC) corrected Hoary (talk) 09:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Can I refer to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) instead?

An SG ARMYCarat (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes,, you can check if your subject is likely to meet either WP:Notability (music) or WP:PERSON (or of course both), and, if he does, then you should make sure that the draft shows that he meets either (or of course both) of the two. -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Can I copy and paste content from a Wikipedia page which is in Korean?

An SG ARMYCarat (talk) 12:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No. We generally can't accept Korean text; if you wish to provide translated text the procedure is at WP:Translation. In all cases you are obligated to link to the source article's history to comply with the attribution requirements of Wikipedia's licences. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

13:25:35, 17 September 2021 review of draft by 1.22.93.78
1.22.93.78 (talk) 13:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but I think any questions you have can be answered by the comments left by reviewers on your draft. 331dot (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

14:10:29, 17 September 2021 review of submission by The Google Ninja
The Google Ninja (talk) 14:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I've removed the press release.
 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Please read the comments left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Is there anyway to overturn it?
 * Pings do not work unless you sign your posts with four tildes, ~ . It's not going to be overturned because of the reasons given by the reviewers. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something. A Wikipedia article about a business must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable business. If you are able to do that, your only option is to appeal to the last reviewer.
 * If you are associated with the business, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 15:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

14:35:57, 17 September 2021 review of draft by Miller870
I'm seeing this error when I try to edit the page: "Cite error: There are &lt;ref> tags on this page without content in them," but I can't find any &lt;ref> tags without content. Why am I getting this error?

Miller870 (talk) 14:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi I fixed with this edit - they were the very first text. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

16:32:28, 17 September 2021 review of submission by Mohammedmahdiwrya
Mohammedmahdiwrya (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not social media where people tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged, see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

17:04:30, 17 September 2021 review of draft by Chrissy7531
Chrissy7531 (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I didn't realize this is so hard can someone help please. Chrissy7531 (talk) 17:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks to perform on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone.  A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Social media is not acceptable for establishing notability.  Please see Your First Article.
 * I might suggest that you use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. It also helps people immensely to spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is being looked for in article content. 331dot (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

18:21:11, 17 September 2021 review of submission by Ro Noor Alom1
Ro Noor Alom1 (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about yourself. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 20:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

19:59:00, 17 September 2021 review of submission by Rakib1990
Your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about yourself or post your resume. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

20:39:29, 17 September 2021 review of submission by Marvoronina
Thank you for taking some of your precious minutes to review my article.

I'm writing this because I would love to learn more about the reasons my changes were rejected.

Firstly, as requested, I added a number of secondary sources, which included a magazine, two website articles, more information from three other websites, and two YouTube videos. I was wondering where I went wrong with my use of references. As in, aren't these considered to be secondary sources?

Secondly, it says that my article reads like an advertisement. However, I tried so hard to use a neutral tone and include factual information about my organization, including the inspiration that lead to its establishment, its notability by other organizations in Hong Kong (which is also through my hosting of workshops), and very briefly the services my organization offers. I would like to know which aspects of my article that lead to it being perceived as an advertisement. Maybe if you nudge me in the right direction, I would be more wary of the mistakes to avoid in my future works on Wikipedia/my next edit of this article.

Lastly, I wish to include information about the history of my company (origins of its establishment, how it started and how is it going, etc) and these pieces of information will be taken from a YouTube video. Will that be acceptable? As in, are YouTube videos not considered to be secondary sources?

Thank you for your time and patience. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Cheers.

Marvoronina (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In order:
 * YouTube as a source is generally dodgy at best, and that's even assuming we're dealing with a video that doesn't amount to contributory infringement. As far as that goes, we only accept YouTube videos as sources if they were produced by an outlet we would normally consider reliable and uploaded to said outlet's own verified channel. Merely being secondary isn't enough: We're also looking for whether they have editorial oversight (The overwhelming majority of YouTube channels don't), whether they have a direct connexion to the subject, and whether they discuss the subject at length as opposed to merely name-dropping them.
 * The article as writ is over-detailed and filled with buzzwords, both of which tend to make an article look promotional. You should sticking strictly to what the usable sources say about the topic, without editorialising.
 * No; see above about YouTube.
 * —A little blue Bori v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)