Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 September 25

= September 25 =

11:16:58, 25 September 2021 review of submission by Manasjangde
Manasjangde (talk) 11:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was blatant advertising. Please review WP:PROMO, WP:COI, and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

13:24:29, 25 September 2021 review of draft by Elmepi
Elmepi (talk) 13:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft only has the company website as a source. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Press releases, staff interviews, the company website, brief mentions, announcements of routine business activities, or other primary sources do not establish notability. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you work for this company, please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thx for the response. I find no reliable sources. And I'm not working for this company and had never worked for this company. I found media on wikidata and a chinese wiki article and missed an english wiki article. --Elmepi (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If this company has no coverage in reliable sources, it would not merit an English Wikipedia article at this time. This would be true even if it has an article on other language versions of Wikipedia, as those versions have different policies and guidelines for content. 331dot (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

14:24:40, 25 September 2021 review of draft by Ayo wpgm
Hi there, thank you for your help and consideration. I have been given the below feedback in the latest review for this draft, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject", and I was hoping for some help in understanding this because the sources listed as references are all independent of the subject. Is there something I may be missing completely?

The additional comment given was that "WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. None of the references in the article meet the criteria, there's some mentions-in-passing and announcements and standard listings but they don't meet the criteria for establishing notability".

There is a strong emphasis on independent content but the sources listed as references are unaffiliated to the subject but perhaps I am missing the connection. Any help in uderstanding this would be appreciated so that we don't continue adding references that would be deemed as non-independent or affiliated to the subject.

I also don't know if this is right for me to compare but in comparing other media and PR companies on Wikipedia, from Category:British music websites for example, their sources do not seem to be too dissimilar to the sources that I have used and so was checking if their sources were accepted, if there was a particular reason the sources I have listed are not being accepted.

Ayo wpgm (talk) 14:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see other stuff exists. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible to get inappropriate content by us.  This does not mean other inappropriate content can be permitted, as if that was the case nothing could ever be removed from Wikipedia. We can only address the inappropriate content that we know about.  If you want to use other articles as a model, you should use those classified as good articles.
 * The sources you offer cite the specific pieces of information in the article, but do not seem to be significant coverage of the subject. To establish that this company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company, you must have multiple independent reliable sources to summarize, that offer significant coverage of the subject on their own(i.e. not based on materials put out by the company, or interviews with its staff, or mere announcements of what it does). 331dot (talk) 14:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You declared a COI(thanks), but if you are an employee of the company you must make the stricter paid editing declaration, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 14:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry if this appears twice but I sent in a reply earlier and not sure it was sent. Thank you for pointing me to the good articles section to model my draft from, I will be sure to do so and add any more independent reliable sources.
 * Also with the COI, I declared one as I am the business owner, I also saw here to add the COI in the example of actual COI actual COI I went through the AFC process as I thought that is what I should do but does that count as being an employee as I am not being paid to create the draft, but please let me know if I should still add the paid declaration as I want to do what the best practice is, thanksAyo wpgm (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * An owner of a business editing is a gray area of the paid editing policy, as no one is paying the owner to edit, but the owner has an indirect financial benefit with their editing about their business. You may not need to comply with the letter of the paid editing policy, but I would advise you to at least post on your user talk page that you are the owner of the business. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * thank you for that advise, should I just write a sentence underneath the COI badge, sorry if it seems a dumb question, many thanks Ayo wpgm (talk) 09:06, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that will be sufficient. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

14:50:50, 25 September 2021 review of submission by Hatemalo Khabar
Hatemalo Khabar (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but Wikipedia is not social media for people to promote themselves and their other social media accounts. Please also review the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

20:01:44, 25 September 2021 review of draft by Urmylifewiki
Please review my 2 articles Draft:Shoutout and Draft:Alen Hovhannisians I need it as fast as possible Urmylifewiki (talk) 20:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, both are poorly sourced and entirely promotional so not acceptable. Theroadislong (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 21:27:17, 25 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Ode+Joy
Hi, I am not sure how to make Draft:Villa Pallavicino (Stresa) a real redirect. Could someone just make it an actual redirect please? It is a simple issue, but I am not sure how todo it. Thanks. Ode+Joy (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Ode+Joy (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you tried asking at Articles for creation/Redirects and categories instead? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 13:26, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, as it happens I figured out how to do it. Sorry to have been confused. Please disregard this issue. Thanks. Ode+Joy (talk) 17:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)