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= September 3 =

12:22:47, 3 September 2021 review of submission by Mujeeb506
12:22:47, 3 September 2021 review of submission by Mujeeb506 12:22:47, 3 September 2021 review of submission by Mujeeb506

Mujeeb506 (talk) 12:22, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We are not a web hosting service. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 14:56, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We are not a web hosting service. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 14:56, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

20:50:43, 3 September 2021 review of submission by Editorgowtham
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Editorgowtham (talk) 20:50, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected, and as such will not be considered further. It cannot be resubmitted at this time. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about someone, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) a creative professional, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable creative professional. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

21:49:27, 3 September 2021 review of submission by Coatshut80
I still feel that this is notable enough as per WP:SOLDIER. I know that the guidelines have changed recently, and that this article may not fully satisfy the new criteria, but if that's the case, what about the articles of Zola Dabula and a few other people in the SANDF which also don't satisfy the new guidelines? Shouldn't they be deleted? And they were created not too long ago. Coatshut80 (talk) 21:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There are many poor articles that were created before the standards started getting enforced. They will eventually be identified and taken down.  Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Your article doesn't demonstrate Masisi's notability. TechnoTalk (talk) 23:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

22:04:51, 3 September 2021 review of submission by Abhayesports
Requesting a re-review because i believe that this draft satisfies WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, has multiple Reliable Sources, Clearly is notable. Was earlier written in a promotional tone and the AfD was stormed by sockpuppets. I've trimmed most of the promotional part and would request for a re-review. Warm Regards--- Abhay Esports Talk To Me  22:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Abhay Esports, the quality of sources is still questionable. And a large number of sources are about the same event. Can you get rid of those to start with? This might be a WP:1E case. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:32, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Yo , There are 3 Events that have been widely covered in shafiq's case, 1. KashBook ~ Because he thwarted the social media ban in kashmir. 2. Stalwart Esports ~ It was widely covered because he signed a pakistani lineup and it was for this first time in history that an pakistani roster was playing under an indian organisation. 3. And for adopting crypto currency as payment method in his esports organisation which made it the first official esports organisation to do so.

This is definitely not an WP:1E case, it requires a cleanup from someone experienced, i've done as much as i could. Warm Regards--- Abhay Esports Talk To Me
 * Considering that black-hat SEO and other payola sources were used last time, I'm incredibly sceptical of the sources used here. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:47, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey B, ,
 * I Understand your concern, but i don't think the below mentioned sources can be Payola considering that they're been written by some big journalists and published by major media outlets:


 * Shafiq’s take on the internet shutdown in kashmir with kashbook was covered in a book written by Ravi Agrawal which was published by Oxford University Press:- Chapter 7 Page no 147 onwards
 * This one is by Yusuf Jameel for Deccan Chronicle:- Deccan Chronicle source link
 * Another detailed article written by VICE:- VICE Article which discussed him and his work significantly and is with the bylines
 * This is from Indian Express:- Another one from reputed source with bylines
 * This one is another reputed media agency The Hindu :- The Hindu Source with bylines
 * This one is written by Faisal Kamal for Agence France-Presse:- Faisal Kamal's article on Shafiq


 * There are many other sources mentioned in the draft with proper bylines but i believe the above mentioned one's are reliable and independent. Last time, the AfD was stormed by many sockpuppets hence these sources couldn't be discuss properly, I've trimmed the promotional part out of the draft and made it more neutral, Added about what he is known for and why he is notable, also added about some controversies against him. Warm Regards--- Abhay Esports  Talk To Me  10:31, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't assess that book (copy required), as the Google preview omits literally anything after pg30; https://books.google.com/books?id=rLhwDwAAQBAJ&q=%22Zeyan+Shafiq%22+-wikipedia&pg=PA147#v=snippet&q=%22Zeyan%20Shafiq%22%20-wikipedia&f=false does not help with this a whit as the preview expurgates anything that could provide actual details or context. While the rest of the sources offered here are good, this is not the case for all of the ones cited in the draft:
 * https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/774708-exciting-framework-is-in-the-offing-for-e-sports-fawad-chaudhry is too sparse
 * https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/games-without-frontiers-indians-pakistanis-team-up-for-esports/an-unheard-alliance/slideshow/79773559.cms has a role byline and its provenance is thus unclear (outlets use role bylines to publish "news" articles and crap their journalists didn't write and won't take credit for)
 * https://afkgaming.com/mobileesports/news/5138-stalwart-esports-signs-freestyle-to-play-pmpl-after-pubg-mobile-ban is too sparse
 * https://nation.com.pk/18-May-2017/countering-social-media-ban-in-ihk-16-year-old-develops-kashbook has a role byline
 * I can't assess www.catchnews.com/science-technology/16-year-old-boy-thwarts-govt-s-social-media-ban-creates-kashmir-s-own-facebook-61296.html (technical barrier); the site hangs when I try to load it. Since https://www.storypick.com/teenage-boy-develops-kashbook/ seems to be based primarily off of it, I'd drop Storypick as a source.
 * https://www.dailyo.in/technology/kashmir-internet-censorship-kashbook-social-media-clampdown/story/1/17219.html is too sparse, and honestly would be better used in an article on KashBook.
 * https://tribune.com.pk/story/1414146/teenagers-indian-occupied-kashmir-launch-kashbook-fight-social-media-ban is too sparse and, again, would be better used in an article on KashBook.
 * https://www.brecorder.com/news/349221 is too sparse, almost too sparse to be worthless as a source full stop.
 * https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/jammu-kashmir-social-media-ban-kashbook-facebook-version-977342-2017-05-16 uses a role byline
 * https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kashmir/kashmir-software-enthusiast-develops-kashbook/ omits the byline
 * https://www.businessinsider.in/meet-kashmirs-own-mark-zuckerberg-he-has-created-a-social-network-in-the-valley-where-facebook-and-twitter-are-blocked/articleshow/58714133.cms gives me pause, especially its final paragraph. This looks like payola.
 * https://z3yan.com loses three out of two - it's the subject's own website homepage, and it appears to be 404-compliant.
 * https://dotesports.com/news/india-based-stalwart-esports-becomes-first-organization-to-completely-shift-to-cryptocurrency is just quotes from Shafiq and would be much better served in an article about Stalwart Esports.
 * https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/16-May-2017/kashbook-16-year-old-develops-kashmir-s-own-facebook-after-india-banned-social-media is too sparse
 * https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/kashbook-kashmiri-teen-s-facebook-lookalike-beats-social-media-ban-117051800678_1.html has a role byline. On a tangentially-related note, if it didn't I wouldn't be able to assess it due to a paywall.
 * Compare this list to what you proffer above. A lot of bad/marginal sources go a long way in strangling a small number of good ones. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:39, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I feel A little blue Bori have summarized it well. Just to add to what they have painstakingly explained, the focus is on quality of sources and not as much quantity. Also, citing articles that are more or less churnalism is a bad sign. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey Again,
 * I completely agree, The other citations sourced in the article are just there as primary sources and not WP:RS. The notability mainly relies on the source's i've shared above, and if we go by the basic rule of 3 good source's, i believe this draft passes that test. I would love to hear more of your opinion on the same. what do you think is inappropriate or unsuitable in the draft right now? Can you help clean it up so i can understand?
 * I Could not get the pdf but i've taken a screenshot of a page that introduces Shafiq in the book, i don't know how to get the book for free so i could share but this screenshot should help :- https://prnt.sc/1r9ud08


 * Also, I Understood that part and i already knew it and that's the reason i clearly posted proper sources above, i tried my best to remove all the promo content and improper sources, now i'm very confused on what to do next? My knowledge is limited to what i can execute and i've already done as much as i could, but still fail to notice where i am lacking.


 * Warm Regards--- Abhay Esports Talk To Me  05:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Start by getting rid of every source I mention above (save for the Catch News articles, for now) and any claim in the article cited solely to them. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:55, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yo, Can you have a look now? and tell me if i missed out something, i've removed all sparse and role byline sources. Also thanks for the guidance. Warm Regards--- Abhay Esports Talk To Me  08:21, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I still see some of the links I called about above being cited. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 01:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hey,  Yeah i actually forgot removing some, I've removed them now, I kept catch news there as a primary source not as a secondary one, and Greater Kashmir one since it is a local media outlet and they've covered his other information so would be useful as a primary source to get information.
 * Can you now check and let me know if i'm missing out anywhere!. Warm Regards--- Abhay Esports Talk To Me  04:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Some of the sources I called out above are still cited in the article. They're not helping the draft's case a whit. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Some of the sources I called out above are still cited in the article. They're not helping the draft's case a whit. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)