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= September 7 =

02:16:32, 7 September 2021 review of draft by Ovaryian
Hi there, I wanted to ask for help refining this article draft for submission. It has been rejected twice, but in July the commenter said it was much improved. I would love an experienced editor to take a look and give more specific feedback or recommendations as to what should be cut/added to make this a better Wikipedia article.

This is the article in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shari_Diamond

Ovaryian (talk) 02:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

03:28:33, 7 September 2021 review of submission by Waryaafilms
Why my article got declined? Waryaafilms (talk) 03:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Musa Aden Waryaafilms (talk) 03:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

I submitted new Article and it got declined and i just want to find out why? Waryaafilms (talk) 03:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * no sources? Wikipedia is not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Every claim you want to make about a living person MUST be accompied by an inline citation to a reliable source, that verfies that fact. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:51, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

05:35:14, 7 September 2021 review of draft by TAQUEDA, Atsuo
Hello, everyone. Please help me.

This time, the artist I am editing Wikipedia is a contemporary artist who has a career of more than 50 years and is particularly prominent in Europe and East Asia, but there are only French and Japanese versions of Wikipedia.

I think the English version covers all of Europe and America, so adding his article to the English version is also of great value to Wikipedia.

Generally, there are few publications about the artist's achievements because his work and exhibition catalogs are the main source of his achievements.

I searched for publications as hard as I could, but found only a few.

The most credible sources of my article are his catalog raisonné (Japanese / English / German / French notation) published in Japan, Benezit Dictionary of Artists (French), catalogs of his exhibitions, and the webpages.

Can't you meet the submission conditions with these?

Thank you, from Japan.

TAQUEDA, Atsuo (talk) 05:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Different versions of Wikipedia have their own editors and policies, and as such what is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. An article here on the English Wikipedia(which is worldwide, not just Europe and North America) must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) an artist, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable artist. The artist's own exhibitions and work are not independent sources and would not establish notability.  If that is all the sources that are available, the person would not merit an English Wikipedia article at this time. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. But, excuse me! It's not a help.

You may not be familiar with the international art scene, but Keiji Uematsu is explicitly a "notable artist" and deserves an English Wikipedia article. So I need a help for an article to be submitted. Of course I have no intention of making an exhibition or work an independent source of information. Also, they are not all available sources. I wrote there are only a few (or not so many) independent and reliable sources of information because an artist's achievement depends on the work itself and its catalog, generally. Isn't a catalog raisonné (a general publication about artists and works, not an exhibition catalog, multilingual version), an artist directory (Benezit Dictionary of Artists, Oxford University Press.), and web pages an information enough? Thank you, again. --TAQUEDA, Atsuo (talk) 02:42, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 09:46:42, 7 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Виктория Шмыговская
Good day! I represent A-navigation Promotion Centre MARINET RUT. We have placed the draft Autonomous and remote navigation trial project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Autonomous_and_Remote_Navigation_Trial_Project) based at the information from the site of our organization - www.a-nav.org. Actually, we have send a permission letter. It was send on 24 August 2021 from alexander.pinskiy@a-nav.org (the e-mail of the Director of the a-Navigaton Promotion Centre MARINET RUT. May i ask you to check this information and recover the Draft? Thank you in advance. Виктория Шмыговская (talk) 09:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Виктория Шмыговская The English language Wikipedia has no interest in what you wish to say about yourselves. It is not a vehicle for yoiu to promote your products, services, or selves. Please also read WP:PAID. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 22:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @ Fiddle Timtrent it seems like I am misunderstood. We are not going to promote any products or services. As you may see, this is an article about the project, it doesn't consist any advertisement. But it is very important project not only for our organization. All the projects we are going to write about have a huge value in international meaning as technologies wich would save people life and reduce ocean polution. Actually the projects are approved by International Maritime Organization (IMO)Autonomous shipping. Is it possible to recover the draft? Thank you!Виктория Шмыговская (talk) 09:18, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Виктория Шмыговская Others may disagree, but I still see the same issue. The project is But it is very important project [not only] for our organization, which implies that you and/or your organisation derive some benefit from it, broadly construed. This equates to our broad interpretation of paid editing in my view.
 * I am not concerned with any good or harm the project might achieve, only with Wikipedia's policies. You could ask a question about this at WP:COIN and obtain a consensus based answer Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 12:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @ Fiddle Timtrent Any way, are there any opportunity to recover the draft, in order it to be corrected? It was deleted as copyrighted (not as advertiseing), but we have necessary permission, as I've said in the first message. Виктория Шмыговская (talk) 09:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Виктория Шмыговская You need to message the deleting admin. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 16:09, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

13:19:59, 7 September 2021 review of submission by Solajacobs1
The Subject, INIOLUWA KEMI COKER is a notable songwriter/ musician in Nigeria,west Africa. This is her instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/inioluwagem/?hl=en and this is her twitter page:  https://twitter.com/inioluwagem?lang=en These are some of her works: https://www.reverbnation.com/inioluwagem

Solajacobs1 (talk) 13:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Solajacobs1 This is Wikipedia. This is its notability policy and this is what Wikipedia is not for. These are some of Wikipedia's other policies and guidelines. Nyanardsan (talk) 10:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

18:02:21, 7 September 2021 review of submission by Mjagidar45
Mjagidar45 (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

18:30:23, 7 September 2021 review of submission by YellowFrogger
YellowFrogger (talk) 18:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 18:59:58, 7 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Jfklaess
Hi Editors, I'm asking for clarification as to why a submission (Awesome Two) isn't meeting the requirement for notability, and help getting it up to standard. I asked a question over a year ago and never got a response.

I've included citations from numerous contemporary sources (Billboard, Village Voice, Vibe, and Black Radio Exclusive) that are more than passing mentions, as well as evidence of historical import from coverage in histories, documentaries, and mentions references in song lyrics and on album covers (should satisfy this criterion: 1.) Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable music sub-culture). Further, they're listed as an "associated act" on this Nice n Smooth Wiki Page.

As producers, the duo has sufficient production credits in their name to satisfy these criteria: 2.)Has composed a number of notable melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable music genre; The recording was in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. Please advise on the status of these sources, and ways I can adjust the article to meet Wikipedia's standards.

I wrote my Ph.D dissertation on the history of rap radio, and interviewed the Awesome II and their peers numerous times. I wrote a long chapter about their career and influence. I was told that my Ph.D dissertation does not count as a source (though this is Wikipedia's stance on the matter: "Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a PhD, and which are publicly available, are considered publications by scholars and are routinely cited in footnotes. They have been vetted by the scholarly community; most are available via interlibrary loan or from Proquest"), and so removed the citation.

Additionally, I have a book coming out of Duke University Press (Fall 2022, it's passed 3 rounds of peer review and is in production). There's a 60 page chapter on the Awesome II. Surely this meets Wikipedia's criteria for reputable sources and "more than a passing mention."

The Awesome II have made incalculable contribution to hip hop music. Please help me meet this communities guidelines.

Jfklaess (talk) 18:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Jfklaess It seems to me that you are working hard and with passion and need a smidgen of guidance. Please look at Notability (music) and make sure your duo pass the criteria there. Look also at your references. The musicians are living people. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Please read Conflict of interest with some care.I'm not sure whether you have a COI or not, and we rely on trust for you to make a correct declaration. Your book may, or may not be a useful reference, buty you have to be clear on its role. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 20:57, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

20:45:52, 7 September 2021 review of submission by 2401:4900:5D14:7A19:20C9:B4D7:4F15:838C
2401:4900:5D14:7A19:20C9:B4D7:4F15:838C (talk) 20:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Please log in when you edit here.
 * The draft is an unreferenced vanity page, and has been rejected Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

21:27:20, 7 September 2021 review of submission by Masterwork
REVISED IN THE LIGHT OF COMMENTS AND REMOVAL OF COPYRIGHT MATERIAL

Masterwork (talk) 21:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Masterwork The draft has been rejected and will not proceed further Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 22:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Can you please tell me EXACTLY what is wrong about this entry, and why is has been removed? What grounds have for making the claim "This draft is a copy, without attribution, of Draft:Karl Fiorini." This draft, revised, is simply based on the same basic entry I have always submitted. My patience is becoming tested.

Masterwork (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please do not start a new section with each of your questions and do not use the excessive bolding. If this continues your future requests may just be reverted on sight and your editing privileges revoked as it becomes disruptive. The original reviewer left you a reason for the decline, they fail to meet any of the following criteria WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST. The article it self reads like an advertisement, and it copy pasted from Draft:Karl Fiorini. I would recommend reading through the links here and in the other decline messages, then working on the original at Draft:Karl Fiorini, but only after you get more familiar with how Wikipedia works and our core policies. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Masterwork - Are you also User:AVM46? If so, you have confused the reviewers by your user of multiple accounts, and you need to declare that you have been using multiple accounts, and why.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)