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= April 12 =

09:18:21, 12 April 2022 review of submission by HasanMougharbel444
Please could anyone explain to me why my article is decline?

HasanMougharbel444 (talk) 09:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @HasanMougharbel444, the reviewer declined it because it does not meet our notability guidelines, which requires (in most cases) 2 independent, reliable sources that give significant coverage to the subject.  Just ' i ' yaya  09:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

09:56:16, 12 April 2022 review of submission by 61.3.128.51
61.3.128.51 (talk) 09:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, regarding your draft, the reviewer determined it was not notable enough, meaning that it doesn't have reliable, independent sources that provide significant coverage to the subject (WP:GNG) and that they don't think these sources can be found. If you still think it is notable, please provide 3 sources that you think meets the above criteria.  Just ' i ' yaya  10:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also please read guidance for young editors  Just ' i ' yaya  10:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

12:45:11, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Joesunrunner
Hello, my article was declined. I need to know why and what I can do to fix whatever needs fixing. We are not a very famous band. But we have been making albums and touring since 2011 without any breakups, without delays, without any financial assistance from record labels or (anyone else for that matter) and without any plans of retirement in foreseable future. There are bands on wikipedia that have been around half as long as we have. I understand there needs to be credentials to prove existence, and these other bands are very famous. But we have endured the music industry for over a decade and are still moving forward. If I have to dig deeper to find more proof, that is fine. I just need to know what is wrong exactly to help me get to the bottom of it.

O.K., thanks for your time -Joe

Oh, the above instructions said to paste a couple things in this box, so I pasted them below. Joesunrunner (talk) 12:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

pasted from instructions: 12:45:11, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Joesunrunner


 * Please read other stuff exists; the existence of other articles has no bearing on your draft. Each is considered on its own merits. Please also read conflict of interest as you should formally declare yours if you haven't yet.
 * Wikipedia is not for merely documenting the existence of a band, and how long it has existed is immaterial. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion. An article about a band must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the band, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable band. Interviews, press releases, brief mentions, and routine announcements do not establish notability. Which notability criteria do you claim your band meets, and what are your three best sources? 331dot (talk) 12:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

16:01:25, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Tradingeditor
Tradingeditor (talk) 16:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, please can you explain why this article has been rejected? There are multiple high quality sources of notability for the company and its uses as a data resource.
 * Hi @Tradingeditor, the reviewer thought that it wasn't sufficiently notable, meaning that (in most cases) there isn't significant coverage by 2 reliable, independent sources to the subject.  Just ' i ' yaya  18:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but this isn't accurate at all. Please could this be reviewed as the editor hasn't given any reason that it wasn't sufficiently notable - there are several examples of significant coverage by 2 reliable, independent sources to the subject. Tradingeditor (talk) 08:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There are also claims which are not supported by the sources. Theroadislong (talk) 09:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

16:21:18, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Nnamani John
I added news articles about this person and removed most unreliable sources. I request a re-review from you. Thank You.

Nnamani John (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like you added three versions of a press release, they are not suitable for establishing notability. Theroadislong (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Explain with details please, Musicbrainz is considered notable, Genius (website) is considered both reliable and unreliable depending on the context, news articles are considered notable too. There are some people with 0 or few primary sources that are on Wikipedia but are tagged "This page relies on primary sources", you didn't take action to theirs, I provided some that Wikipedia itself requested for, but you see no notability with it. Please explain with details why this subject is not notable or have a thorough check before replying. I need detailed explanation please. Thank You. Nnamani John (talk) 18:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Your autobiography has zero chance of being accepted, unless you can find in-depth significant coverage of you, that shows that you pass the criteria at WP:NSINGER, listings at Musicbrainz and discogs are of no use, please also see other poor quality articles exist. Theroadislong (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

17:32:42, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Sabinkama
i want to know if the article is submitted for review Sabinkama (talk) 17:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No it isn't, I have added the submit template, you need to click the blue link, "submit the draft for review". Theroadislong (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

18:47:52, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Lexii60
I Requesting a review on this person beacuse, He is very notable and also a public figure, he also in lots of news article about him https://menafn.com/1103995390/Clappa-Don-a-Young-Jamaican-Animator-Actor, https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/568203782/clappa-don-a-young-jamaican-animator-actor he is an Animator, Actor and a Recording Artist. I would like a quick review thank youLexii60 (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Lexii60 (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It was reviewed twice and declined, the third time it was rejected, which means it will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 18:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So what can I do to prove to you guys that this person is notable Lexii60 (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Refer to the top table of User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
 * We can't use https://www.imdb.com/name/nm13523054/ or any other IMDb citation (no editorial oversight). Wiki.
 * https://menafn.com/1103995390/Clappa-Don-a-Young-Jamaican-Animator-Actor is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Article's sourced to EIN Presswire which, as you may have already guessed, only ever publishes press releases written on the subject's behalf.
 * https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/568203782/clappa-don-a-young-jamaican-animator-actor has been discussed and dismissed immediately above.
 * https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20200224/jamaica-day-aabuthnott-gallimore-taps-agriculture is a non-sequitur. Sources that don't even mention the subject at all are completely useless as a source on that subject.
 * https://yardhype.com/jahvillani-drops-bleaching-cream-song/ is a non-sequitur, and we wouldn't be able to use it anyways (routine coverage).
 * http://jamaica-star.com/article/news/20210202/skillibeng-shoots-coke-crashed-plane is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/sesame-street-hunting-jamaican-animators_218533 " " "-".
 * We can't use https://www.merchantgenius.io/shop/url/shopclappadonmerch.online (too sparse). This appears to be a business profile website.
 * We can't use https://www.pandora.com/artist/clappa-don/12-duppy-single-explicit/ALjXdwvp93x3d3c (streaming website). We don't cite streaming/download sites because they're either connected to the subject via business deals (as is the case here) or because they're piracy websites.
 * We can't use https://clappa-don-marathon.en.uptodown.com/android (too sparse, no editorial oversight). User review site, and a really content-free one at that.
 * I suggest you stop using Wikipedia to promote this person before you end up blocked for it. Quit wasting your time and ours. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay then but am NOT promoting this person am just writing about this person because he is very very notable to the public, he also featured in short movies and as I said before he is in news article https://www.wicz.com/story/46267071/clappa-don-a-young-jamaican-animator-actor,https://www.wpgxfox28.com/story/46267071/clappa-don-a-young-jamaican-animator-actor, https://article.wn.com/view/2022/04/12/Clappa_Don_a_Young_Jamaican_Animator_Actor/ this is most of the news article but their are lots of about this person Lexii60 (talk) 19:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Literally all of those are the exact same EIN Presswire piece that Menafn uses, and are thus as useless as that source is (connexion to subject). Have you actually read the sources you're using? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I did, He also in Bloomberg article but its all from different source Lexii60 (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Then why haven't you cited it? Is it because you don't actually have access to the article or are you trying to bullshit us? I'd wager the latter, since a Google search (string: "Clappa Don") turns up absolutely no Bloomberg or CNN articles. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

21:31:30, 12 April 2022 review of submission by Lexii60
This person is featured in Bloomberg article and CNN as well he is very notable to the public so i would like a qiuck review on this personLexii60 (talk) 21:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Lexii60 (talk) 21:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a blatant lie, and a Google search puts paid to it, as I explained above. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you look in the news section? As I said this person is notable to the public so I don't know why it is so hard to approve this information. Lexii60 (talk) 22:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You people are so fucking hard so understand..SMH Lexii60 (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I did, and it only returned the EIN press release. No Bloomberg, no CNN. The News tab is literally the first thing I check when looking for sources for a subject. What is your connexion to Clappa Don? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So why don't you use EIN press release and tagged it say need more reliabe source Please Lexii60 (talk) 22:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Because we don't cite press releases due to them being written on behalf of the subject. What is your connexion to Clappa Don? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Not entirely true, but press releases certainly can't determine notability. In general, I'd treat a press release as a self-published source from the subject. Bsoyka  ( talk ) 23:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In this case it's academic because there are no sources available which can be used for notability, making that pretty much moot. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Notability is a more serious problem than just potentially needed more reliable sources. If an article subject does not meet the general notability guideline, it almost certainly will not be added to the encyclopedia. Now, as asked above, what is your connection to the article subject? Bsoyka  ( talk ) 23:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have a connexion to Clappa Don he is just a public figure/ Actor that I see on the media and I want to make a wikipedia about him Lexii60 (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So again can you guys approve it and put a tagged on it like need more reliable sources or something. Lexii60 (talk) 23:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Did you read my last message? Bsoyka  ( talk ) 23:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely fucking not. And you'll forgive me if I don't buy your claim of having no connexion due to your persistence here, your editing history, and the deletion log on Clappa Don. There's been some sort of concerted effort to try and get a promotional piece up for him over the past half-year and this looks just like another incarnation of that effort. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:34, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Guh suck yuh madda battybowy Lexii60 (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You are so disrespectful Lexii60 (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Because I, and the rest of us, have zero tolerance for being lied to and being insulted by someone who clearly isn't here to build an encyclopaedia. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Lied about what? but if it was a celebrity you approve it long time before the writer even submit it..thats bullshit you guys pick and choice who to approve thats fuck up Lexii60 (talk) 00:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You claimed there were Bloomberg and CNN sources. Despite me indicating that Google does not pull up those articles, you've yet to provide a link to either of them (instead questioning how I did the search) - but have happily trotted out links to that same rehashed EIN press release and tried to pass them off as a source we would accept despite the fact that even a cursory look at those sources' ledes should have told you these articles were unacceptable. I also, as I have indicated, don't believe you're not a mercenary due to your monomania for this topic and your persistence bordering on "I must do this or I'll be fired" levels of aggression. How we handle other pages is irrelevant; we're discussing your draft and any potential article on Clappa Don, which (based on what I can find in a search and the sources already provided in the draft) is an impossibility at present. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 00:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I stand by my rejection. Article is promotional junk, sources are promotional junk.22:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slywriter (talk • contribs)