Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 April 29

= April 29 =

07:27:19, 29 April 2022 review of submission by Koqkpa
Koqkpa (talk) 07:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Why did my page got declined...?
 * Unsourced. See WP:RS TechnoTalk (talk) 08:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

11:46:48, 29 April 2022 review of draft by Daisycat32
Hello!

I was looking for clarification on two connected issues.

Firstly is the question of notability - I am writing an article about an actress, and I am finding it very hard to judge whether she is "notable" enough for wikipedia. She is a german actress living in the UK, so a lot of her past work was in Germany and a lot of my sources are German newspapers etc. However she has recently written, directed, produced and starred in a short film that has won awards at international film festivals. Where would she fall on the spectrum of wikipedia "notability"? Should she instead be trying to create a page on the German wikipedia?

The second question I have is regarding the sources used to support "notability" - I have been told by a wikipedia reviewer that interviews are not considered a reliable source, but I have a hard time understanding why. I was told it was because interviewers don't generally fact check what people are telling them, but I don't think this is entirely true - I would expect most good interviewers to double check they weren't publishing lies... Also if this is a hard and fast wikipedia rule, I question whether it is appropriate to apply this to actors as surely you have to be a pretty famous to have a profile written about you rather than an interview - I would argue that people that aren't household names are still "notable" enough to have a wikipedia page about them. As far as I can tell the main source of press for actors are interviews with them, and so seems a bit mean that they can't use them to prove what work they have done, and therefore if they are "notable". Furthermore, having looked at a lot of actors wikipedia articles to hep me write mine I can see that tons of actors use interviews as a source, and in some cases as their only source. So who is right?

Please could you give me some advice on how to proceed, as I am finding this particular topic very confusing.

Thanks so much! :) --Daisycat32 (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Daisycat32 (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi,, for your first question, she would need to meet either WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Have you looked at both of these? The fact that she won awards is one thing but we need to see that in the references (which need to be reliable sources as well). --CNMall41 (talk) 23:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as interviews, it is assumed that the publication did not do independent fact checking. After all, they are simply quoting the interviewee. That is why articles that talk about them in depth are better used. This shows that while the person may have been interviewed, the writer did independent fact checking and wrote a story in their own words as opposed to simply reprinting quotes from the interviewee. Do you have something showing that the references you are trying to use did fact checking for the interviews? --CNMall41 (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

12:36:54, 29 April 2022 review of draft by Rat
Rat (talk) 12:36, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Good afternoon!

I have set up the draft article on Prof. Franz M. Matschinsky, who died a month ago, and asked for a review. Unfortunately the draft was declined. I'm quite sure that Matschinsky qualifies for a Wikipedia article, but I'm afraid my English is not good enough to improve the article to meet the necessary standards. On the German wikipedia we start an article as a stub and if it doesn't meet the standards it is discussed for deletion. This way it may draw attention of others who are willing to keep and improve the article. I had hoped for a similar procedere on the english wikipedia. There are several articles on the web describing and honoring Matschinsky's merits on diabetes research but I'm not fluent enough to reword those texts (I think one shall not just copy text from other sources). Perhaps there is a special interest group on medicine, especially diabetes, who are willing to help me on this article? --Rat (talk) 12:36, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You may wish to go to the Medicine WikiProject and request assistance there. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

13:30:25, 29 April 2022 review of submission by 216.30.182.130
Do these articles meet the requirements for Wikipedia's notability standard "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"?

https://technical.ly/startups/willowtree-growth-hiring-attracting-technologists-charlottesville-virginia-software-development/

https://wina.com/news/064460-willowtree-moving-to-woolen-mills-factory/

216.30.182.130 (talk) 13:30, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No, because those describe a routine business activity(the moving of a location of the company) and involve an interview with the CEO. We want to know what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about this company, not merely what its activities are. 331dot (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Request on 18:57:50, 29 April 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Havenbase
I received this message about a draft I submitted - "Two copies of this page have been created, in draft space and in article space. It is not necessary to create two copies of the same page, and it annoys the reviewers." - I apologize as I did not mean to annoy reviewers. I was unsure of how to edit the article since I am an associate of the subject. I have read more on conflict of interest editing and just to confirm, the edits should be requested on the talk section of that article itself correct? --Havenbase (talk) 18:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Havenbase (talk) 18:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * That is correct. Specifically, you want to make the request at Talk:George Gadson, which is a separate page that exists solely for the purpose of discussing how to improve the article of that name. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , I added one of the images from your draft, but you will need to use the talk page as stated by Jéské Couriano above. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

21:14:20, 29 April 2022 review of draft by Zeeke west
Zeeke west (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

what is considered significant coverage?

https://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=174517

does this count fro the article I am writing?
 * No, it does not (unknown provenance). No listed author; who actually wrote this? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:33, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * ok so what about these?
 * https://www.loadingmag.com/grabbz-demands-to-be-paid-his-worth-then-some-on-toonies-loonies-single/
 * https://calipost.com/grabbz-proves-why-hes-one-of-torontos-top-rap-entrepreneurs-on-toonies-loonies-single/
 * https://1stdayfresh.com/2022/04/27/grabbz-is-making-money-moves-on-his-toonies-loonies-single/
 * This is a credible author from HipHopDx Zeeke west (talk) 21:36, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Then why are you not citing HipHopDX and instead citing all these websites that are mirroring it? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * And while we're at it, refer to the top table here:
 * We can't use https://www.usnationaltimes.com/article/568256010-inspiring-listeners-through-rich-and-motivating-lyricism-hip-hop-entrepreneur-artist-grabbz-unveils-new-track (no editorial oversight). The article itself wouldn't be usable for notability regardless (connexion to subject) because it's sourced from EINPresswire, which only ever publishes press releases commissioned by the subject or their agents.
 * We can't use https://hiphopweekly.com/grabbz-nasty-shares-debut-single-nasty/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?
 * https://controlforever.com/read/grabbz-puts-on-for-toronto-on-hs-toonies-loonies-single/ is redundant with the HipHopDX source the three sources you just liked here also mirror.
 * https://djiceberg.com/grabbz-channels-jay-z-on-toonies-loonies-single/ " " " " " " " " " " " " " ".
 * https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=9086072&V_TOKEN=null&crpNm=no%20glass%20ceiling%20inc&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr= is both a non-sequitur and unusable even if it weren't (too sparse).
 * We cannot link to, let alone cite, www.youtube.com/watch?v=21bgLQ_z1v0 (unknown provenance). Potential copyright violation.
 * https://www.sudbury.com/police/bust-puts-major-dent-in-sudburys-crack-activity-214928 is a non-sequitur. Did you even read this source?
 * A Google search (string: hiphopdx grabbz) fails to bring up the alleged HipHopDX article you mention, so I must assume the article either doesn't exist or was deleted. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No he is not on hip hop DX yet it is the author that writes for the magazine I ment. But I think I understand, the Source Magazine will be doing an article on him soon, So it would need to be from a credible author speaking on him and his successes. Correct? Zeeke west (talk) 22:20, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * We're looking for sources that are in-depth, non-routine, independent, written by identifiable authors, and published in outlets that have competent editorial oversight that fact-checks, discloses, corrects, and retracts. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "No he is not on hip hop DX yet it is the author that writes for the magazine I ment" - Do you have knowledge that he will be written about in DX by that author? --CNMall41 (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)