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= April 4 =

Request on 00:37:01, 4 April 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by PetSematary182
I've edited and checked the sources on this article twice, with the same reviewer claiming that it relies too much on unreliable sources and isn't notable. I would like to challenge both of these claims. For one thing, the article includes both primary and secondary independent sources, including a published legal case that is noteworthy, a published book that mentions the case, a published magazine, videos and news articles. Secondly, Deborah Gail Stone is a notable figure for a variety of reasons, not merely her death, but also the social impact, legal impact, resurgence of her story in the digital age, and the accident's influence on Disney's decision to improve the safety features on its rides. If the argument the reviewer holds is that Ms. Stone herself is not notable as a person, then I could rename the article to reflect its focus on the case at hand that she was at the centre of rather than a biographical article, but I don't understand why this article keeps getting rejected, as it's been improved multiple times and cites a number of notable secondary sources. PetSematary182 (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

PetSematary182 (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , Quora, Random youtubes, Top 10 lists, findagrave, Instagram... get rid of the junk sourcing. No Reviewer is going to approve an article with bad sourcing. When you have only actual reliable sources, re-submit.Slywriter (talk) 01:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Will do, have done, but even at this point, with those sources now removed, that still leaves a number of valid primary and secondary sources, but the reviewer who keeps checking the article had no issue with the "junk" sourcing to begin with. They take issue with the notability of the subject, which seems strange considering that two published books (not self-published either,mind you), an official legal case digest from the state of California, a non-tabloid magazine, a news company and a filmmaker have all contributed coverage to the case extending beyond merely just a brief mention, whether Instagram, YouTube, Quora and all those other now-removed sources needed not to have applied. I've looked over what defines "notable" on Wikipedia when it comes to both historic cases and biographies of people, and this subject matter fits the criteria but for a few issues with the validity of contemporary sources, the majority of which, as you advised, have now been removed. PetSematary182 (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182
 * This falls under WP:1E as being known for a single event, but whether or not that one event is enough, the incident is also written about in America Sings. Perhaps do a redirect and improve that content instead? TechnoTalk (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

09:47:17, 4 April 2022 review of draft by Academician.NYAS
Hi, Academician Ljupčo Kocarev, as a President of Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts is clearly a relevant public person, so we will be grateful if someone correct or improve (Draft) article about him for English Wikipedia. Thanks!Academician.NYAS (talk) 09:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC) Academician.NYAS (talk) 09:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think your best chance to show notability is WP:NSCHOLAR, and the Google Scholar citations help. On the other hand, posting his writings about a political issue don't demonstrate notability, and clutter up the source section, per WP:OVERCITE. You need to include what others write about him. Has anyone written about him and discussed his political views? TechnoTalk (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree. You may edit all parts you think necessary. On my side I will not intervene on this Wikipedia with respect o this person any more. Besides, I am an amateur in editing. Some Macedonian editors should continue with any process left regarding the article. Sorry for any hardship or trouble. Best Regards, Academician.NYAS (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

11:10:39, 4 April 2022 review of draft by Tykosay
Hello, I am asking if my wikipedia page is ready to be resubmitted. The original edit request regarded a copy-pasted list of 20 key ideas that are essential to the page's subject. While the 20 lines were copy and pasted, I deleted them and resubmitted. The page was reviewed again and I was told that the Revdel was not completed. I must have done something incorrectly. Can you please tell me 1) if it is okay to quote from the source page (https://objectparadise.com/Manifesto) or 2) if I must delete this info (which I have), why the page has been declined again? Thank you.

Tykosay (talk) 11:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * After a quick review of the sources, there's little that suggests the organization meets Wikipedia's standard for notability. Please see WP:GNG. You want the sources to be less of what the organization and its partners write about it, and more about what independent writers write about it. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

17:29:34, 4 April 2022 review of submission by Colby221
Jared Goldsmith born in Livingston, New Jersey, Jared has been performing since the age of 5. As a child, Jared had his start in commercials for Quaker Oats (2003), Wendy's (2004) and Charmin (2004). He then began a voice-over-career on the Nickelodeon TV series Blue's Clues and its spinoff series Blue's Room. Jared went onto voice characters in the Warner Bros. film The Ant Bully (2006) and also landed a minor spot in the film Spider-Man 3 (2007). Jared has recorded many book series' such as Roscoe Riley Rules, Dan Gutman's My Weird School and Timmy Failure, for which Jared received the EarPhones Award by AudioFile Magazine (2015). He also danced multiple times in the Macy's thanksgiving day parade. Jared earned his BFA in Music Theatre from Elon University in May 2018. In August of that same year Jared began rehearsals for the First National Tour of Dear Evan Hansen, which officially opened on October 5, 2018. After playing Dear Evan Hansen to 25 cities, Jared took his final bow on the First National Tour September 22, 2019. Jared joined the Broadway company of Dear Evan Hansen on October 22, 2019 at the Music Box Theatre, where he was performing until the pandemic hit Broadway. In August 2021 Jared went viral on TikTok for his cover of Lemonade. It has over three million likes. On December 11th 2021 Jared helped reopen Dear Evan Hansen on broadway. He also landed a role in Disney's Better Nate than ever, playing the squeaky sophomore. Self proclamied bagel enthusiast. Colby221 (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing to suggest they are notable. Theroadislong (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

20:41:29, 4 April 2022 review of submission by Showmewhatyouknow
Gayvn Locke is a game developer, an up in coming one in that, so I ask you to reconsider your decision. -Luke Showmewhatyouknow (talk) 20:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually nevermind I realized that they don't pass the test, mis read the rules. Showmewhatyouknow (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)