Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 August 17

= August 17 =

05:07:48, 17 August 2022 review of submission by Tinku9550
Tinku9550 (talk) 05:07, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Tinku9550: what is your question? The draft has been rejected and won't be considered again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:44, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

07:20:40, 17 August 2022 review of submission by Lucynder
Hello, I have been declined once again for the submission of draft. I'm not sure why it's been rejected, I have read other wiki pages on notability and referencing of movies and I used a similar approach. Can I have assistance, correction and a detailed guideline in order to get the page published?

It would be helpful if you could provide more information as to why it is been rejected. Please help with guide and directions.

Thank you Lucynder (talk) 07:20, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * When referring to the content of the encyclopedia(not policies/guidelines), Wikipedia has articles, not pages. Beware in using other articles a model- that won't help you if those other articles you use are themselves problematic(which you wouldn't necessarily know unless you have experience here). As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, there are many ways inappropriate articles can get by us.  If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles.
 * To pass this process, article drafts generally need at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage. You have two. If you found one or two more reviews to add, that would help. 331dot (talk) 07:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:NFILM for the criteria it needs to pass. Theroadislong (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

07:40:02, 17 August 2022 review of draft by Brysais
Brysais (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I didn't capitalize the surname of the subject of the article (Yossi Maurey, not maurey), but I can't find a way to alter the title. How do I do that? Thanks!
 * The exact title is not relevant to the review process. If and when your draft is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. Changing the title requires a page move anyway, so it saves a step to wait until it is accepted before moving it. 331dot (talk) 07:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry! I figured out how to move the page before I saw your response. Thanks! Brysais (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

10:18:18, 17 August 2022 review of draft by Prettyneededchill
The page was rejected for not showing significant coverage but I'm unclear as to what qualifies for significant coverage. We have over 1000 pieces of media coverage from the past 3 years so choosing the right one is tricky. Most pieces cover report and investigation findings in more than just passing mentions, rather than the organisation itself, for example here, here and here. Does this count as published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject matter?

Prettyneededchill (talk) 10:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Prettyneededchill: significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) must be of the subject itself directly, not of any indirectly related matters. So in your case, the sources should expressly cover the CMF as an organisation, not one of its reports, or its people, or what a CMF representative may have said about something. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've looked at similar organisations, such as Plastic Soup Foundation and their references are similar in nature to what is available for Changing Markets Foundation, i.e. it references the organisation but is actually about its research findings and campaigning. If the coverage is significant but of a campaign wholly run by the foundation, is that not enough, as seems to be the case for Plastic Soup? Thanks for your help :) Prettyneededchill (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Prettyneededchill: don't look at other articles, look at the relevant guidelines (namely WP:GNG / WP:ORGCRIT). There will inevitably be articles out there which don't comply, either, but that doesn't mean we should create more of them. Rather, we should ensure that your article is up to the required standards, and also bring those other articles up to scratch. (Actually, in the case of the Plastic Soup Foundation article, the sources were flagged up as not meeting ORGCRIT, but somehow it seems to have slipped through.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'll do some more research! Prettyneededchill (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I see you declared a COI; if you work for the Foundation, you must make the stricter paid contribution disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 14:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Noted - thank you. I have added that disclosure. Prettyneededchill (talk) 14:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

10:21:46, 17 August 2022 review of draft by BarI2021
Hi, This is a draft on an acting proffesor who published articels, head of a dep', wrote a few books, has a radio station and won grants and awards. How come it gets declined over and over again? is it because he is in Israel? would love help, thank you, --BarI2021 (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

BarI2021 (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @BarI2021: have you actually read any of the decline notices and comments? This has been declined each time for lack of notability. Whether or not "he is in Israel" has nothing whatsoever to do with this; Wikipedia has plenty of articles on Israel-related topics. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @BarI2021 Large sections of the draft have no inline citations. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 11:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

13:53:12, 17 August 2022 review of submission by Zachariah Junior-Eurovision
I had my article declined not I'm not sure why. I wrote it about myself and stated that and it was not bias. Zachariah Junior-Eurovision (talk) 13:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It most certainly is biased to write about ourselves, as we naturally write favorably about ourselves. While not forbidden, it's strongly discouraged to write about yourself. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Zachariah Junior-Eurovision — that's because this is an encyclopaedia, not a social media or blogging site. This means that you shouldn't just write about yourself, you should summarise what independent and reliable secondary sources (such as newspapers and magazines, TV and radio, etc.) have said about you. And even then, it shouldn't be you who does that, you should leave it for someone else who is not connected to you to do the writing. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

18:42:35, 17 August 2022 review of submission by Burgelis
I see that local electeds dont necessarily qualify for a Wikipedia article unless they are notable- my first election win was historic- as the first out member of the Milwaukee County Board (legislative body). Though I've only provided 10+ sources ranging from CNN to local affiliates and, there are dozens more including USA Today and business journals I could provide for additional press coverage- would that be preferred? For the self promotion question, would it be acceptable for me to hire someone else to make this same submission? That seems counter productive to me. Thanks for helping me better understand placement and internal policies. -

Burgelis (talk) 18:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * 23:26, 15 August 2022 diff hist  +429‎   N File:LGBTQ+ Activists Janice Colby and Don Schwamb with Supervisor Burgelis with Pride Month Citations.jpg ‎ Uploaded while editing "Draft:Peter Burgelis" on en.wikipedia.org current Tag: cross-wiki-upload
 * Burgelis (talk) 18:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Burgelis: just to be clear, nobody and nothing "qualifies for a Wikipedia article unless they are notable"; that's just the name of the game. By and large, anything of the "first X to be Y" type isn't inherently notable, meaning that it requires secondary sources to satisfy the WP:GNG criteria.
 * You can of course "hire someone else" to write the article for you, but please be aware that they will need to declare WP:COI and WP:PAID before they even get started. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)