Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 August 25

= August 25 =

00:24:57, 25 August 2022 review of draft by GreyElfGT
When I first created/published the James Almanzar page, I only put what I could confirm at the time, starting with the L.A. Times Obituary, meaning to find citations for all his other works in Film & TV as I found them. But it got put Directly into Draft ONLY THREE MINUTES After Initial Creation!! I was SOOOO Frustrated at that... it's Hardly enough time to make the improvements that Intended to do, immediately thereafter !!!

See version history Time Stamps:
 * 10: 25, 20 July 2022‎ GreyElfGT talk contribs‎ 1,156 bytes +1,156‎ Created a page...
 * 10: 28, 20 July 2022‎ m 1,284 bytes 0‎ Hughesdarren moved page "James Almanzar" to Draft...

I've since supplied a Second RS Citation for his Bio info (places of birth, parents, etc.) from an RS 1967 New Mexico Magazine issue, and expanded his Filmography to include most of his work (which I could confirm myself) other than just the Gunsmoke episodes (which was originally my ONLY reason for bothering at all... so I could link to his Roles in the List of Gunsmoke Episodes page). I also included RS Citations for each and every Film/Show... as well as I could... plus some other improvements as well.

I think you'll agree now, it has more than adequate coverage & notability.

I'd like to get to the business of linking in the existing Wiki Pages for Shows & Films to his page, but can't while its still in Draft... can you please Re-Review it so we can get it moved out of Draft? It's already been more than a month.

If it needs anything else, let me know on my Talk page. Thank You GreyElfGT (talk) 00:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * You actually do not need to find sources for his body of work - only those where he went uncredited or took an unfamiliar pseudonym. (This also applies to his books as well.) That being said, anything he or his surrogates had a direct hand in creating is useless for notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 01:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I found RS Citations so I don't add errant things to the article like "Louie Lamour's, 'The Sacketts'" which there ARE sites out there that SEEM to be RS, but can't be, saying he's in it, but he's NOT... I've seen it... he is neither Credited (in the opening/closing credits), nor did I actually see him as an Uncredited/Pseudonym Extra... the point of RS Citations next to each work is to help guarantee we're not simply copying IMDb or some other NON-RS site. And what do you mean Surrogates? I'm not affiliated with the actor... his works (and the citations from News/Books) are what establish Notability. I simply want to do due diligence when I link to him from another article, such as Gunsmoke, or other film/tv articles that already have him in the cast list, but are not yet linked, that he WAS actually in that Film or Show. Make Sense?
 * At this point I'm more concerned about just getting it out of Draft... I've already done just about everything I know how, and can do, to help get it Approved for Main space... other than finding a PD/CC Image to use w/o worrying about copyrights... oh, and any Help on THAT would be very welcomed too, Thank You Very Much. GreyElfGT (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @GreyElfGT "But it got put Directly into Draft ONLY THREE MINUTES After Initial Creation!! I was SOOOO Frustrated at that... it's Hardly enough time to make the improvements that Intended to do, immediately thereafter !!!" If the article wasn't ready for the main space, you shouldn't have published it. You need to work on it in the user or draft space until it's ready, or at least compliant with the various guidelines, and only then publish. And the fact that it was moved to drafts isn't a problem — the alternative could have been to have it deleted, so compared with that, draftification is very much the soft option. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 04:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, In a way I agree, and in a way I don't, but in any case I have learned my lesson... my article creations after Almanzar (the latest being for for Chanin Hale) came out mostly fully-formed so they would NOT go immediately into draft (or deletion) by another over-zealous reviewer... can we get over the finger-wagging and just get it reviewed? Have a look... is it Good-2-Go or Not? Thanks GreyElfGT (talk) 05:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Overzealous? You know what I find SOOOOOO frustrating? There are currently over 10,000 articles in the review space. Want to come help us out champ? Or are you just happy lobbing hand grenades from the sidelines? It's comments (and overbearing attitudes) like this that put users off the reviewing process. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, not constructive. Another user just now re-reviewed it and at least gave me some specific guidance as to what was still wrong with it, and Lo and Behold, I actually learned something... so yet again, I've corrected it as a result... the bit about not quoting directly/verbatim, even from an RS source. So again, I ask, is it Good-2-Go or Not? Thanks ...and NO, I do NOT have the time to "come help u out" champ, as I'm still working on the List of Gunsmoke Episodes article, and will be for some time to come... and no, I'd rather play Horseshoes than Hand-grenades! "That there's... I say, that there's a Joke, son... ya supposed ta Laugh!" GreyElfGT (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

06:17:36, 25 August 2022 review of draft by CharlesDarbyshire
I am writing and submitting my first article but cannot see how to add the wiki sidebar on the right hand side of the page. Can you please assist? Thank you

CharlesDarbyshire (talk) 06:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @CharlesDarbyshire, do you mean the infobox, such as what's seen in the article on MS Estonia? You create that using a suitable infobox template, in this case Template:Infobox ship begin. That said, having an infobox (or not) has no bearing on your draft's chances of being accepted, so it's more a nice-to-have extra at this stage. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, excellent, thank you so much CharlesDarbyshire (talk) 07:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

10:26:09, 25 August 2022 review of submission by Tellefsen t
The article has been updated with plenty of external sources like BBC News and The Times, and removed the Trust's website as sources.

Tellefsen t (talk) 10:26, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Tellefsen t Draft was rejected in 2021 and it has not been resubmitted. (Adding sig) 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tellefsen t Making sure there is a ping to the OP. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Request on 14:03:22, 25 August 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Krjyoti
Krjyoti (talk) 14:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

14:12:47, 25 August 2022 review of submission by FarhanBaig333
I am writing on the behalf of company and providing you authentic information about the company FarhanBaig333 (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are editing for the company, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure. Your draft was pure advertising. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources say about companies. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

14:52:26, 25 August 2022 review of submission by Botcat7928
Botcat7928 (talk) 14:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

16:03:58, 25 August 2022 review of submission by Usama950
I would appreciate it if you could re-review the article.

I have updated it with neutrality in mind.

Thank you very much. Usama950 (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

16:17:19, 25 August 2022 review of submission by 2600:1700:A624:540:D4A9:6B11:6E0B:86C5
I'm currently adding information, I've already added some more.

2600:1700:A624:540:D4A9:6B11:6E0B:86C5 (talk) 16:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Please refer to my previous answer from yesterday. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

20:33:14, 25 August 2022 review of draft by Yamen60
Yamen60 (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Yamen60 The draft has been declined.  The notes in the draft say what needs to be done before you resubmit it.  All of the words in blue, in the draft notes, are clickable links, with detailed information.  Please do not resubmit until you have understood and acted on the information given in those links. Come back here if you have specific requests for help, not just "I need help getting my article into Wikipedia".  What part of the instructions do you have trouble understanding? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi I need help getting my article into into Wikipedia

21:04:27, 25 August 2022 review of draft by Hataw87
Hataw87 (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Hataw87 All of the blue words in the decline notice (in the pink box at the top of the draft) are clickable links.  Please read the information provided there, and then you should know what is wrong with the draft.  If you have questions about that detailed information, please come back here and ask specific questions.  Just because someone exists (is alive, and a real person), does not mean that their notability has been demonstrated, in the draft, using reliable sources.  There's a link to our explanation of "reliable sources" in the decline notice, along with explanations of how to properly cite those sources. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, HOw could you help med with this article. This is about a musician artist, an alive and real person. What is wrong, why we can not publish it?
 * None of your sources are properly cited or even acceptable in the first place. We do not cite streaming websites (Spotify included) and we do not cite Wikipedia. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

21:50:36, 25 August 2022 review of draft by Dhkeane
I have a COI with the article Hannah Keane. I would like to do a “Request Edit”. Do I do this in the Draft I created via AFC or do I do it in the draft I created in my sandbox? Or am I just going in circles and not understanding the whole process. It is overwhelming to say the least. Thanks in advance for the help. Dhkeane (talk) 21:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC) Dhkeane (talk) 21:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't need to request edits to a draft while it is still a draft. If accepted as an article, yes, you will need to request edits then, but now you are free to edit it. 331dot (talk) 09:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)